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Posted By gpsea1 3 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsI remember a few months back when I got into a heated YM debate with a good friend of mine, on the issue of climate change.
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CHAM3 months, 3 weeks ago
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AEI is a Neo-Con/Republican think tank. But there is a problem with Climate doomsday reporting. When I really got into this a few years back, I got to looking at some facts:
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Global Warming is taking place, however the problem is not that, but whether or not humans are causing it. In other words there could be a difference between Global Warming theory and Human Caused Global Warming.
Without writing a commentary on all my findings, the one item that peaked my interest most was the claim that the human caused ( or contributed ) CO2 was causing the warm-up. I found two problems with Gore's presentation on that.
Turns out that the human contribution to the CO2 input each year is around 2.7% of the yearly CO2 input total. Wow, does this mean that the other, the non-human caused, 97.3% of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere yearly has noting to do with the warm-up?
Oh, but there's more. I thouroughly examined the Vostok Ice Cores data ( Seems I recall these Ice Cores represent the atmosphere for earth's last 400,000 years ). Those cores were analyzed for CO2 levels, the corresponding temperature fluctuations, and the dust particles in the air.
Graphs were made to relate the data. Lo and behold the CO2 graph line level follows - note I said follows, not precedes, the temperature curve. Now what coach? That indicated that the CO2 rise was caused by temperature rise, not the other way around. Back to do more research.
Anyone can do a little reading and find that as the Earth's temperature increases the Earth's atmospheric CO2 % level increases. So the increasing levels of CO2 are a result of temperature increase - not the cause of it. That removes the human equation.
Human caused Global Warming is a miserable myth. And I am not a Republican.-
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Ratskii3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Cham,
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Have you observed the amount of CO2 absorbed by the oceans? This is killing the coral reefs and stressing already over-fished fish populations. Could this have something to do with why the CO2 levels seem to follow temperature increases?
Also, what are the calculations of the amount of CO2 produced over the past 20 years compared to the total amount in the atmosphere? I find it difficult to credit that taking sources of trapped CO2 and releasing them back into the atmosphere won't have any effect.
But even if you are right, the amount of CO2 and other greenhouse gases being released is steadily increasing. At what point is it going to overwhelm the other cycles (for example the 11 year sunspot cycle that affect temperature and climate?
Also, may I ask? Where are you getting your figures from?
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CHAM3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, my figures come from a multiple range of data sources. I did write an article a year or two ago and may have published in the article a list of the sources, but in short what I said above is just a minuscule mention of the data that is our there.
The oceans are a very large sink for the absorption of CO2 and the increase in CO2 that is ongoing at this current time is doing harm to the Corals. That is not my argument. My statement is that it is a natural occurrence. The reason I mentioned the Ice Cores is because of the graph, I will go find a graph of those cores and see if I can copy it and place it on a post here.
One thing I didn't mention which would have been supportive of the natural rising CO2 and why the Earth is warming up, is that we have been coming out of the Little Ice Age since about 1750 or around 1800. That Ice Age lasted from around 1300 to 1750. So the Earth is warming up from that end of the cold period. As the Ice cores reveal and many other data reveal, as the Earth warms, the Ocean sink of CO2 releases more CO2 to the atmosphere.
Hopefully my point is that with Earth's temperature rising, the expectation should be that the CO2 levels should increase also even if Humans didn't contribute one spoonful of CO2 to the atmosphere.
Those who blame humanity for the increased CO2 levels and thus the rise in Earth's temperature are patently off base. Those such as Gore I mean.
The amount of increase of CO2 in the atmosphere since around 1800 has gone from around 280 parts per million to about 380 parts per million and the temperature over that 200 + years has increased around 1 degree centigrade. An increase from 280 to 380, or 100ppm raises the percent of air that is CO2 to about .00038 or 4/10,000th of 1 percent. -
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CHAM3 months, 3 weeks ago
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I couldn't get the image to be pasted here, but here is a Wikipedia link that will take you to the graph that I was speaking of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok-ice-core-...
Go there and keep in mind that the in time the graph reads from the right to the left. If you look at the graph you will find that the temperature increases before the CO2 level rises in every instance over the last 400,000 years.
I didn't read down thru the Wiki article but I'll bet it has plenty of sources to go to for more information. If you are interested in the article I wrote on Global warming, let me know and I will send it to you as a message, the sources I will have to see if I can find ( I recall I referenced about 28 sources when I was writing the article, I just didn't have them in the published article - because no one really checks the sources except scientifically interested parties).
Actually I quit placing links to political statements for that very reason. Give a source and no one will read it, they just keep on saying what they want. They dont go to the source because if it is not what they want to believe, they don't want to read it. -
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