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The real war is not between the left and the right. It is between the average American and the ruling class. It's time we took back our government from those who would make us their slaves.
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tadair9194 months, 1 week ago
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"The real war is not between the left and the right. It is between the average American and the ruling class. If we come together on this single issue, everything else will resolve itself. It's time we took back our government from those who would make us their slaves."
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CHAM4 months, 1 week ago
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Tadair919. You have made the perfect post. Its source has nothing to do with its validity. The two major parties sometime in the distant past came to an immoral agreement:
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Divide the American public.
Pit them one side against the other
Plunder them, blame the predecessor
Repeat the recipe
Continue to always be in position to rape the public
As Voltaire said in ending Candide " You must till the Garden"
If we ever want to change our Government, we have to punish the Immoral. -
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hyperbola4 months, 1 week ago
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Some people ar beginning to think about real recipes for doing just that.
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Changing the Corporation
The corporation is no more than an aggregation of capital managed for the proportional benefit of those who supply it. It is a system controlled by managers, administrators and clerks largely for the benefit of passive investors looking for a higher return than they can earn elsewhere.
It makes no sense that government should provide the very wealthy with a tool that poses a continuous threat to the public interest. Government's job is to protect the public interest, not sponsor those that destroy it.
Doing nothing
In Common Sense Thomas Paine from argued for a change of government, but what he said 232 years ago has application today.
"""The current situation has become intolerable. Governments now stand by while modern corporations destroy. Governments are responsible for creating the modern corporation. Citizens are responsible for creating government. We have furnished the means through which the destruction is conducted. In the words of Paine, "our calamities [are] heightened."""
This problem is not getting fixed. Indeed it is getting worse.
.... The most serious part of this problem, however, is not the physical damage that is being done. It is the damage being done to the civic spirit of the people. They have begun to feel that it doesn't pay to be a good citizen. They have begun to lose hope.
... Not understanding the true source of this problem results in the blaming of government and corporate personnel. When successive changes in personnel do not solve the problem, despair sets in and people begin to withdraw their support for government and their involvement in politics. They reason that government is ineffective and their involvement will have no effect. They conclude they should not waste their time. Their withdrawal increases the power of the modern corporation to set the agenda. As a result, government loses its focus on solving human problems. This makes it more irrelevant to the average citizen and corporate abuse of the public interest becomes even harder to eliminate.
... Abuse of the commons by the modern corporation will not go away if it is simply ignored. If nothing is done, humanity's suffering at the hands of the modern corporation will continue to multiply. Each generation will suffer more than the one that precedes it. The question is what to do. ....
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/08/20/changing...
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Klarissa4 months, 1 week ago
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Instead, Obama wants to increase the oversight power of the Federal Reserve.
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Never mind that it already had significant oversight power before our most recent economic meltdown, yet failed to take action.
Never mind that the Fed is not a government agency but a cartel of private bankers that cannot be held accountable by Washington.
Whatever the Fed does with these supposed new oversight powers will be behind closed doors.
Obama's failure to act sends one message loud and clear: He cannot stand up to the powerful Wall Street interests that supplied the bulk of his campaign money for the 2008 election. Nor, for that matter, can Congress, for much the same reason.-
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CHAM4 months, 1 week ago
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See what you're doing Klarissa?
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You are defending an Immoral Administration by accusing another Immoral Administration.
Why do you continue to do that?
Both of those groups need to be punished, but being loyal to your criminals, you only want to punish the other side. Read my reply to Tadair.
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Striker1014 months, 1 week ago
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This thread is making huge sense so far. Actually thinking! @CHAM, you're right on track too, but must we really punish -- that draws blood. Certainly we must insist on voluntary individual choice -- ours, not theirs. Otherwise we must withdraw and refuse to contribute the immoral state which cons that they know better what is 'good' for us. A "just say NO" thing!
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CHAM4 months, 1 week ago
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Striker. Punishment is an admission of failure, both of those being punished and those who do the punishing. But it is also a must because if bad behavior becomes a repeated and unchallenged event , over time it becomes habit.
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A no consequences bad behavior slowly evolves into "the law of the jungle".
If I just say no "I will not do anything immoral, unethical, or dishonest, then I have the capacity to keep that event from happening. But if I just say no to others who would commit bad behavior , I have no control over whether the follow my command.
If they ignore my "No" and I don't make them pay the price for misbehavior, then what?
Immoral, Unethical, Dishonest people must know that there is sure and swift punishment for misbehavior to stop that bad acting, otherwise they will never stop. And a failure to administer that punishment is a message to the bad actors that there is really no punishment forthcoming.
This is what has happened in our Government and our Society. We have given a pass to the bad actors for so long and so many times, that they have become convinced that there is no consequence for bad Government.
What I have suggested in the past is to punish a Political Party is quite simple, ignore them out of existence. I chose the Republican Party as the starting point because they are currently the weakest and the Party in power to have had the opportunity to serve the people and didn't. We need to punish the Republican Party by sending them to the dustbin of history and never let it return.
Then we won't have to fight the two headed monster. We can take sure aim on the remaining head. A simple plan. One no Party can stop the people from doing. Only the people can do that. We have to get over the Party First mentality to accomplish this.
Never vote for a Republican Candidate for any office ever again. Once rid of the Republican Party we can focus on the Democratic Party. We will also need to be bringing on board a viable third party-they will see what needs to be done to continue in existence.
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CHAM4 months, 1 week ago
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Supporting an immoral, unethical Government is an exercise in self-denial. There are no good bad guys, and there are no bad good guys.
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What we need for our future is a Government composed of moral, ethical people who observe and keep the Constitution, uphold the rule of law, and prostrate themselves before the people, as servants of the people.
They are not Republicans and Democrats, they are Americans. This is the change that American needs. It is a behavioral change. -
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CHAM4 months, 1 week ago
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Jeboba, those that continue to support the GOP are definitely in denial. They rationalize that their bad actors are really good guys because they support the right ideology. And they invent reasons to continue that support, for example "Grandma Killers" when it comes to health care.
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What all must understand is that an immoral, unethical Government looks on the people as the servants of the Government, whether that Government is a Republican or Democrat Administration. And the people of the two factions are pitted one against the other by the two headed monster.
Everyone should realize that there are no good bad guys just as there are no bad good guys. Our government is either moral and ethical, or it is not.
A moral and ethical Government will present and act as servants of the people. It will be totally committed to keeping the Constitution and observing the Rule of Law. The opposite of that is Tyrannical Government and it matters not what it calls itself, it still creates a servants class for the people and an elites class for itself.
What our country needs is a behavioral change by the people, one that identifies the good and the bad and take actions to replace the bad, whether that bad is Republican or Democrat or a criminal by any other name.
Only then will the people have good government, but that won't happen until the people themselves wake from their stupor and elect only moral and ethical people.
As soon as any elected public official commits immoral or unethical acts the people should punish them, first by removing them from office and then by action of law depending on their malfeasance. -
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Striker1014 months ago
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I regret coming back into this article 6 days and 20 hours later, but I had to read Larry Flynt on Huffpo to see what this was really about, and it disgusts me!
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"I'm calling for a national strike, one designed to close the country down for a day. The intent? Real campaign-finance reform and strong restrictions on lobbying. Because nothing will change until we take corporate money out of politics. Nothing will improve until our politicians are once again answerable to their constituents, not the rich and powerful.
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The real war is not between the left and the right. It is between the average American and the ruling class. If we come together on this single issue, everything else will resolve itself. It's time we took back our government from those who would make us their slaves."
Flynt rants against a "ruling class" he defines as bankers and corporations. He doesn't define the Ruler as this government radically changing from Liberty to collectivism. Instead he attacks the entire capitalist / free enterprise system, the defining morality which made America the greatest.
He ignores everything which was caused, not by capitalists, but by government regulations and manipulations which gave capitalists powers beyond their moral and rightful role in our society.
This is precisely what I believe that Tadair919 picked up on in the initial comment -
"The real war is not between the left and the right. It is between the average American and the ruling class. If we come together on this single issue, everything else will resolve itself. It's time we took back our government from those who would make us their slaves."
It is unfortunate that it was not expounded upon a bit right after that quote.
This is why I am neither Republican nor Democrat, nor Conservative or Liberal. Everything stems not from the labels applied, which are all unclearly defined, but must spring from a moral foundation of individual rights to Life, Liberty and Choice.
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