CIA Docs Don't Vindicate Cheney »
Posted By Progressive 3 months ago in Political News
Dick Cheney has long insisted that two CIA documents from 2004 and 2005 would prove the value of torture. But after obtaining them yesterday, the Washington Independent says they do nothing of the kind. The documents actually suggest, albeit murkily, that non-abusive techniques were more effective. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s interrogators got some of their best intelligence not after the 183 times he was waterboarded, but with an old-fashioned trick: He believed another detainee had already given up the same info he shared.
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rbiii3 months ago
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Apparently, Progressive has forgotten that Obama's intel Czar (Blair) has already slipped up and admitted that they worked.
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Sure, he backtracked later to stick to the "we aren't sure if enhanced techniques were the exact cause" narrative, but it was too late.
These allegations were already investigated already. One guy was prosecuted and when the CIA reprimanded a few others who the Justice Department didn't want to prosecute.
This entire exercise is a smoke screen to distract from the popularity hit the O-man is taking over his LIES about Health Care reform. -
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UnusualSuspect3 months ago
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Of course it took an"old-fashioned" trick...anyone with brains knows that actual torture doesn't work that well.
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The only true method of torture Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would have succumbed to would have been if the torture had been carried out on a loved one...a son, daughter, wife, mother, etc.
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calitennflo3 months ago
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http://www.aclu.com/safefree/torture/40838prs20090...
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NEW YORK - The government today handed over to the American Civil Liberties Union a detailed official description of the CIA's interrogation program.
The uS is still at it...using the NSA instead. -
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unome23 months ago
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Mineta: "During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President...the plane is 50 miles out...the plane is 30 miles out....and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??"
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Cheney and others murdered 3000 people on 9-11. -
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ProudBlueTexan3 months ago
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"old-fashioned trick: He believed another detainee had already given up the same info he shared."
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All Things Considered (a.k.a. Fox Radio) omitted that detail in today's story. They practically gave the Nobel Peace Prize to Cheney for defending the USA.
"So this is NOT a nation of laws.......my bad." -pbt -
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unome23 months ago
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Georgia503 months ago
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I was not aware that evidence played a role in the mind of liberal filth. Do you have evidence that it does? Well, let's not digress just now.
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From the IG report:
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The detention of terrorists has prevented them from engaging in further terrorist activity, and their interrogation has provided intelligence that has enabled the identification and apprehension of other terrorists, warned of terrorist plots planned for the United States and around the world, and supported articles frequently used in the finished intelligence publications for senior policymakers and war fighters. In this regard, there is no doubt that the Program has been effective. ...
Detainee information has assisted in the identification of terrorists. For example, information from Abu Zubaydah helped lead to the identification of Jose Padilla and Binyam Muhammed--operatives who had plans to detonate a uranium-topped dirty bomb in either Washington, D.C. or New York City. Riduan "Hambali" Isomuddin provided information that led to the arrest of previously unknown members of an Al Qa'ida cell in Karachi. They were designated as pilots for an aircraft attack against the United States. Many other detainees, including lower-level detainees such as Zubayr and Majid Khan, have provided leads to other terrorists, but probably the most prolific has been Khalid Shaykh Muhammad. He provided information that helped lead to the arrest of terrorists including Sayfullah Paracha and his son Uzair Paracha, businessmen whom Khalid Shaykh Muhammad planned to use to smuggle explosives into the United States; Saleh Almari, a sleeper operative in New York; and Majid Khan, an operative who could enter the United States easily and was tasked to research attacks [redacted]. Khalid Shaykh Muhammad's information also led to the investigation and prosecution of Iyman Faris, the truck driver arrested in early 2003 in Ohio. [redacted]
Detainees, both planners and operatives, have also made the Agency aware of several plots planned for the United States and around the world. The plots identify plans to [redacted] attack the U.S. Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan; hijack aircraft to fly into Heathrow Airport [redacted] loosen track spikes in an attempt to derail a train in the United States; [redacted]; blow up several U.S. gas stations to create panic and havoc; hijack and fly an airplane into the tallest building in California in a west coast version of the World Trade Center attack; cut the lines of suspension bridges in New York in an effort to make them collapse; [redacted].
This Review did not uncover any evidence that these plots were imminent. Agency senior managers believe that lives have been saved as a result of the capture and interrogation of terrorists who were planning attacks, in particular Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, Abu Zubaydah, Hambali, and Al-Nashiri.
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pboccuti3 months ago
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No Endoscopy, the left doesn't think Bush is still in power. We are well aware of the election that happened in November and the inaguration in January.
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What the left wants is an investigation into all of the crimes that the Bush Administration has commited. I am not saying that Bush personally commited these crimes. But someone in his Administration did.
I have 2 questions for the defenders of the Bush Administration.
Where are the WMD's? (You know the whole cause for the war)
Where is Osama bin Ladin? (You know the guy the Bush told us was responsible for the 9/11 Terror Attacks)
Actually I have one more question.
Why was NORAD so incompetent on 9/11?
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