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Time is running out for a two-party compromise on health care as a bipartisan group of six Finance Committee senators considers a new proposal that might be the last, best hope for an overhaul agreement.The six were to meet Tuesday on Sen. Max Baucus' proposal to create nonprofit insurance plans to compete with those offered by profit-making companies. The proposal by the committee chairman is noteworthy for the piece that's missing: a government-run alternative favored by liberal Democrats.President Barack Obama, who will address Congress and the nation on health care Wednesday night, told a Labor Day audience that it's time for insurance companies to share accountability for problems in the system.He was not addressing the Baucus plan.Four congressional committees so far have produced partisan plans for revamping the nation's health care system. Baucus, D-Mont., said he would move forward with a plan if there's no bipartisan agreement by Sept. 15.Baucus would impose a fee on insurance companies to help finance coverage for uninsured Americans.
It's not clear whether that would win support of two key Republicans in the group, Sens. Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Mike Enzi of Wyoming. The Baucus proposal reflected many of their priorities, chief among them the decision not to include the so-called public option to compete with private insurers.Grassley said he was concerned that any fee charged to insurance companies would end up getting passed on to other premium holders, and he embraced the notion of nonprofit health care cooperatives to help provide coverage for the uninsured.

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Newperson2 months, 3 weeks ago

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I think some politicians are trying to destroy any chances the president has to rebuild our nation. All they want is to go against the presidents plan to do what is best for all the american people.

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  cherev2 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  "I think some politicians are trying to destroy any chances the president has to rebuild our nation."
  
  "Rebuild"? Some don't see it that way.
  
  "All they want is to go against the presidents plan to do what is best for all the american people."
  
  Some people don't believe Obama's plan is what's best for "all the American people".
  
  I guess in your version of "America", those with dissenting opinions should be....what? Silenced?
  
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    Newperson2 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    No not Silenced. But the needs of the many have always outweighed the needs of the few. The rich are doing just fine the way things are now. The less fortunate are haveing a hard time just geting by. Let alone seeing a dr. when they are sick. Some people spend more for ther medicine than all there other liveing expenses. And some are just dyeing because they cant pay.
    
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    hyperbola2 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    Well Cherev, about the only people who see it that way fall into two classes. (a) Those who profit from the abuse of the majority of the population by a rapacious, corrupt minority, and (b) those who can be sold slogans that empower their own impoverishment in benefit of the most wealthy parts of the population.
    
    We have had for at least half a century excellent economic studies showing that the "anglo-sxaxon" style of market economy has repeatedly and systematically underestimated risk and repeatedly (over a period of 200 years) generated acute crashes in which massive amounts of taxpayer money is transferred to "rescuing" the most wealthy parts of the population.
    
    Why would anyone (apart from the corrupt minority that profits) want to continue with a system that abuses the population for the benefit of a few crooks?
    
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    dunkirk2 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    "Some people don't believe Obama's plan is what's best for "all the American people". "
    
    Most of the ones who supported the agenda tht got us into this mess that are now somehow trying to claim they didnt support that agenda.
    
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    mesodude2 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    "Some people don't believe Obama's plan is what's best for "all the American people". "
    
    --But a minority of the American people (which thinks it represents the majority viewpoint) is sleazily preventing the majority of Americans from getting what they want and need--based on a decisive election (which rejected everything the minority stands for). I didn't think we should go to Iraq but cons crapped bricks and cried when the majority of Americans said over and over and over again that we shouldn't invade and we shouldn't stay. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, cons are now telling themselves that teabaggers, birthers, and domestic terrorists (aided by the insurance lobby) should dictate the country's agenda. That's not going to happen. Cons will go down in flames if I have to personally see to it. ;-(
    
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  jordan112 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  Well that's what all of this nonsense over insurance reform is about. CONS want their power back, period. They don't give a good GD what gets destroyed in the process, including their country. After all, if they have power, WTH do they care about anything or anyone else?
  
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beavith12 months, 3 weeks ago

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rebuild? LOL!

you mean take it in a wholely left direction.

was this ever going to be 'bipartisan' for any other reason than political CYA?

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  hyperbola2 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  Well beavith, if we calculated unemployment in the same way as the rest of the world, we would now be at 18.7%.
  
  I think the correct metaphor is the ostrich with his head in the sand.
  
  Amazing how many people are determined to "support" a "system" which is a proven, abject failure and has given us repeated crises (at least four since Reagan started us on the "corporatist" path) in which massive amounts of taxpayer money are transferred to the most wealthy part of the population. That is simply corruption and the usual abuse of the majority of the population by a corrupt minority.
  
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    dgoodii2 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    Yes the massive progressive agenda of the last century has taken us in the wrong direction. Central regulation of nearly every business and state, no control of are currency and massive spending by government, on things other then defense, judicial system, and legal immigration. Programs that have no basis in the Constitution, the US government was not to be the central control arm of the elected representatives. That would be the same as having any other form of government, government has all the rights and the people only have what the government allows them.
    
    Totalitarian regimes by what ever name are the very abuse of the majority that are Constitution is there to prevent. Usurping the intent and powers granted the US government lead in that direction, for the good of the people or not.
    
    The US government has now walked away from protecting the people and commerce within are nation. They no longer care to do anything other then be re-elected for all the perks we provide them, few see their positions as service and an honor.
    
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    beavith12 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    you would have us leap into the abyss with no real idea at the expense, but you accept that because its going to help people.
    
    you jump first. i'll wait here and see what happens.
    
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cherev2 months, 3 weeks ago

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"Time Running out for Bipartisan Health Compromise "

Let's hope. The Dems don't need us to pass this legislation. And when it fails, as all Dem programs do, I'd rather they not have any Republicans to blame (although they will blame us anyway).

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  mesodude2 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  ". And when it fails, as all Dem programs do, I'd rather they not have any Republicans to blame (although they will blame us anyway)."
  
  --Why do cons say complete nonsense like this--as if we've forgotten it was you absolutely filthy weasels who voted for Bush and Cheney who are responsible for destroying our country? It's YOUR precious "free market" that's turned our country into a virtual toilet. Stop lying to yourself, cherev. ;-P
  
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  tchef2 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  That's the spirit!! Who cares what's good for the country? Why should you try to actually be involved in crafting the legislation so that it may be agreeable to you? That would be productive. Let's just make a lot of noise and refuse to have anything to do with it and hope that it fails so we can say " I told you so".
  
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greffers2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Are you kidding me?! They have no intention(Republicans) of supporting any form of health care, nor do the ignorant bastards have a plan of their own, If they say they do, where the hell is it? It's total ********.

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  beavith12 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  don't read much, do you? think for yourself? of course not...
  
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    hyperbola2 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    Do you?
    
    Actually the type of "plans" that are produced by Republicans are well known and exemplified by things like Katrina and FEMA. The common theme is: "gut" anything done by common, public efforts and transfer the resources to the most wealthy parts of the population. If possilbe couple this with "welfare schemes" that provide pipelines for transferring massive amounts of taxpayer money to "corporate welfare queens" that are in bed with our party.
    
    The sort of corruption engendered by the Republicans with this ideology (but not only by them) is now very deeply entrenched in America and we will probably need a real upheaval to root it out.
    
    Economic Hit Men and the Next Drowning of New Orleans
    http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/09/01/economic...
    
    Who put out the hit on van Heerden?
    
    Ivor van Heerden is the professor at Louisiana State University’s Hurricane Center who warned the levees of New Orleans were ready to blow — months and years before Katrina did the job. For being right, van Heerden was rewarded with … getting fired. [See Katrina, Four Years Later: Expert Fired Who Warned Levees Would Burst]
    
    But I’ve been in this investigating game long enough to know that van Heerden’s job didn’t die of natural causes or academic issues. This was a hit. Some very powerful folks wanted him disappeared and silenced — for good.
    
    So who done it? Here are the facts.
    
    First, there is Big Oil. More than a decade ago, van Heerden pointed the finger at oil drilling as a culprit in threatening New Orleans and the Gulf Coast with flooding....
    
    .... Bosworth, who advises Levees.org, a non-profit group that birddogs hurricane safety work, explained the connection between flooding New Orleans and oil drilling quantified by van Heerden’s research. “Takes a million years to build (the protective coastal marsh); once you carve it up, it’s just like bleeding a wild animal, hang it up, carve some holes in it, and the juice just drains out of it. Saltwater and tide invade. You make [the state] susceptible to flooding from coastal and tidal surges.”
    
    So I was amazed to learn that, shortly after van Heerden, wetlands protector, was given the heave-ho by LSU, a group calling itself “America’s Wetland” gave the university a fat check for $300,000.
    
    After a little digging, I found that it wasn’t really “America’s Wetland,” the group with the oh-so-green name and love-Mother-Nature website, that provided the money. One-hundred percent of the loot, in fact, came from Chevron Oil Corporation. Chevron had merely “green-washed” the money through “Wetlands.”
    
    ...Was this Big Oil’s “thank you” to LSU for canning van Heerden? The University refuses to talk to me about van Heerden’s firing (”It’s a confidential personnel matter”).... Instead of van Heerden, LSU announced it will rely on representatives from Chevron — and Shell Oil.
    
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Albmore2 months, 3 weeks ago

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I would be willing to bet that an independent congress could had formed a health care reform package already that would be accepted by the majority of Americans.

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  MisterX2 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  Then special interest groups wouldn't get theirs in the deal. What would be the point of that???
  
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Tumultuous2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Bipartisan compromise? Who the hell wants compromise? What purpose would compromise serve?

Ram it through! Bipartisanship is dead. May it rest in peace.

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  tchef2 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  Unfortunately that seems to be correct.
  
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  Albmore2 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  So its a dictatorship now?
  
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    Tumultuous2 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    If the Republicans refuse to offer constructive options, who's problem is that? Their major concern is protecting corporate profits, not the average American.
    
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    Jeboba2 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    The repugs RAMMED everything past the dems when they held congress., Payback is hell!
    
    RAM IT THROUGH DEMS!
    
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ettucatk2 months, 3 weeks ago

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No one, and I mean NO ONE, is fooled with the "Republicans have not provided a health care reform proposal. That is Liberal spin, and even THEY, who generally have no shame, have to bow their heads to hide their red faces when they repeat this nonsense.

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