Many of Obama’s Claims about Health-Care Reform Have Been Debunked »
Posted By RTHTGakaRoland 3 months, 1 week ago in Political News
While President Obama will likely make news tonight by telling a joint session of Congress what he wants and is willing to accept from a health care reform proposal, he may also repeat some points he has made over the past few months that have been refuted by non-partisan sources.
The Congressional Budget Office, run by Democratic director Douglas Elmendorf, as well as other government and non-profit organizations have produced analyses that dispute several assertions by the president and Democratic members of Congress.
The president, for example, has said health-care reform will be deficit neutral, does not steer tax dollars to abortions and that there are 46 million uninsured Americans. But each of these claims has been disputed by non-partisan sources.
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Beau78903 months, 1 week ago
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Funny, when I read the article, nothing Obama says has been debunked. In fact, the article itself (after the headline) uses the word "disputed."
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Here's an example from this article:
In what was supposed to be a myth-busting weekly address, Obama again stated that everyone would be able to keep their existing plan.
“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,” Obama said. “If you like your private insurance plan, you can keep your plan. Period.”
There is no coercion to change to the government option.
But with the government-run health insurance exchange and the public option, employers would have incentives to change the plan offered to their employees, according to studies by the CBO and the Lewin Group, a private health care analysis firm.
If an employer changes the plan it offers to employees, that's the employer's choice. It's not the government forcing that change. In addition, if an employee wants to buy insurance on his own, separately from the employer's plan, H.R. 3200 will allow him to.
The article also states that "non-partisan sources" have disputed Obama's claims.
The Lewin Group, whose estimates are used by this article, is highly partisan. It's an insurance industry propagandist.
From the Lewin Group's "About Us" web page:
"The Lewin Group is an Ingenix company. Ingenix, a wholly-owned subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group, was founded in 1996 to develop, acquire and integrate the world's best-in-class health care information technology capabilities."
Sticklers for accuracy might also notice that in addition to being a wholly owned subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group, the paragraph above includes an adverb ending in "ly" hyphenated to the adjective it modifies, which is an incorrect usage of the hyphen. Correct usage is not to hyphenate "wholly owned." ;-)-
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corl643 months, 1 week ago
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From the same "About Us" page
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"Ingenix unites the brightest minds to transform organizations and improve health care through information and technology. We believe that information is the lifeblood of health care. Applied at the right time and at the right place, when decisions need to be made, information can enhance the affordability, quality, usability and accessibility of care."
Who We Are
"Ingenix brings together the brightest clinical, technical and business experts in health care. We employ more than 8,100 professionals worldwide, including consultants, medical doctors, nurses, actuaries, biostatisticians, certified coders, epidemiologists, economists, engineers, software developers and many other experts who bring their skills together to create powerful and innovative solutions for our clients."
I think I could rely on this firms study, they might not be the non-partisan group of choice, but they are a reputable company. Any study or survey you see these days are mainly done by partisan groups.
"There is no coercion to change to the government option."
While there is no coercion to change, many small business owners will change to save money, it is then you would lose the coverage and/ or doctor you presently have and probably want to keep.
"Sticklers for accuracy...."
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Tasine3 months, 1 week ago
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Beau, please take a second and consider this:
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The article states: During his Aug. 22, weekly address aimed at busting myths about the health reform plan, Obama insisted the legislation would not fund abortions.
“Some are also saying that coverage for abortions would be mandated under reform,” Obama said. “Also false. When it comes to the current ban on using tax dollars for abortions, nothing will change under reform.”
However, the House bill mandates that government-run insurance exchanges where people would buy insurance with government subsidies include at least one plan that covers abortion. Also, committees in both the House and Senate rejected amendment that would have explicitly forbid federal money from going to pay for abortion under the plan.
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This does not appear to be partisan haggling. It appears that the dems are talking out both sides of its collective mouth. That makes people wary, and it SHOULD. It tells me that someone who SHOULD be in the know, isn't.
Secondly, just because the plan may say specifically that you may keep or choose the insurance of your choice, how many choices do you think will be around when they have to compete with a government who makes all the rules, makes all the specifications, does not have to profit because government has the cash cow called taxpayers, and with a government who merely prints more money when it needs it. No insurance company can survive with both hands tied behind its back. Think, Beau. Listen to Obama all you desire, but please get past the audio and listen for what he is NOT saying as well as what he IS saying. Politicians are notorious, all of them, for hedging their talk in order to have full deniability. Think! Do not cede your good brain to others. Use it yourself FOR yourself and those you love.
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