"Tea Party" Leader Melts Down On CNN: Obama Is An "Indonesian Muslim Turned Welfare Thug" (VIDEO) »
Posted By TimALoftis 2 months, 2 weeks ago in Political Opinion
"Tea Party" leader Mark Williams appeared on a CNN panel on "Anderson Cooper 360" last night and promptly set to work discrediting himself and his movement. Williams denounced those carrying blatantly racist signs against President Obama during the tea parties as "no more part of the mainstream of America than the hippies who wear nipple clips and feather boas in San Francisco streets during so-called peace demonstrations."
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epiphannyy2 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's incredible, isn't it? I mean really....what can you say to this kind of thing?
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I watched this last night and really, the only glimmer of hope I have is that the REAL (or should I just say sane) republicans recognize this guy as a nut. Even David Gergen finally said he just didn't make any sense with the things he was saying. We can only hope that sanity prevails before the next election. Can you imagine if this group were to be the ones dictating who our next leader would be? Talk about scary! -
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hyperbola2 months, 2 weeks ago
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Why is it that there are so many right-wing zionists preaching hatred in America?
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Republican Disaster -- The Evangelical/Zionist Anatomy of Meltdown
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/repu...
I was a Republican insider. For instance, the late Jack Kemp was a friend who I often advised on "connecting" with the Religious Right, until I left the Republican Party and the evangelical subculture and slammed the door behind me. ....
...Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy of doom -- in the 1970s my family was an integral part of bringing the Republican Party under the sway of the emerging Religious Right, particularly because of our support of the antiabortion movement. It was my father who talked Jerry Falwell into "taking a stand" on the "moral issues" of the day, which then morphed into the Moral Majority. Back in the 70s and early 80s Dad and I both appeared on the 700 Club many times, I preached from Jerry Falwell's pulpit and was the keynote speaker at the Religious Broadcasters and Christian Booksellers Association annual events several years running.
There came a day in 1985 (my dad had died in 1984) that I began to take another look at my commitment to the both the far right of Republican Party and the Religious Right. I came to realize that I was in bed with a group of people who were profoundly anti-American. They were professional haters. They wrapped themselves in the flag and "loved America," but it was an America in their imaginations only and cast in their image: white, middle-class, straight, born-again, homophobic and tinged with racism, not to mention misogyny.
...So what went wrong with the Republican Party? Believe me, it's all about religion!
Two religions (in the broadest sense of the term) have destroyed the Republican Party: evangelical Christianity and Christian/Jewish Zionism. Evangelical Christianity created the Religious Right which forever linked the Republican Party to the antiabortion, anti-sex education, anti-evolution and anti-gay crusades. And both Christian and Jewish Zionism linked the Republican Party to what became the neoconservative movement with its roots in such publications as Commentary magazine and their shrill Israel-can-do-no-wrong anti-Arab agenda. (I knew the late editor of Commentary Norman Podhoretz quite well, and we met several times to build alliances between evangelicals and the far American Zionist far right. When it came to Arabs, I believe he was a real racist.) -
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Will13132 months, 2 weeks ago
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What is wrong with these people. I don't think even the people that hated Bush ... most were not anywhere near as crazy as these people and they appear to be heros to some.
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I for one don't like where this could head.
And i do fear for Obama and his family.. I know he has the best protection.. but he's way to visible.. and accessible . I also believe he and family will need protection long after his term..
the atmosphere is very scary to me.
when you have a national talk host declare i went to the movies and i carried a gun. and no one was killed.. bs like that.
well i carry a gun almost all times. and not even most of my friends know. and i'm damn well not going to tell them. and the couple that know.. have never seen it. kinda takes away from CONCEALED CARRY if everyone knows.
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Charlson2 months, 2 weeks ago
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These tea baggers are one thing and that is they 're not bashful about displaying their bigotry with their signs and in their own words. They're in need of a scapegoat for whatever ills they are focused on and project them on to the president, while the extreme right adds fuel to their fire with the lies and distortions they spread.
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Will13132 months, 2 weeks ago
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yes you are correct unfortunately. . and no i DO NOT want to censor anyones right to speech. . but the levels of this discontent are becoming alarming to me. and i hope to others..
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at a local bar i go to often cause i can walk there and i like their pool table.. during Obamas health care speech i heard the N word more times than i could count. and i was sitting watching with my friend who's very dark Puerto Rican..
he was not amused. I can only imagine how he felt. and i felt equally embarrassed by the people of my race making the remark.. I told the bartender to tell to of the to STFU or i would tell them. . he did.. they did rest followed suit..
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epiphannyy2 months, 2 weeks ago
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They are scary people and I'm surrounded by them where I live...lol in a town of less than 8,000 nearly 100 made the trip to DC and hundreds of others held their own rally locally on Saturday. You know what they say....never underestimate the power of stupid people with a cause. These tea baggers prove that point every time they open their mouths.
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KISA452a2 months, 2 weeks ago
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So, what do you take from the discontent? The tea partiers stirred it up? The politicians/news media/churches/internationalists/think of any other group you can, stirred it up and the tea partiers are now feeding off it? Or are they providing an outlet for a group of people who feel they have no voice?
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If this bar doesn't ususally have people saying N*gger, then it seems to me that many people are ****** off. One idea is to just tell them to shut up (obvious first amendment problem, but we'll let that rest) showing that you do not really agree with your first statemnt in that post. the other is to look at the fact that some/many(?) people in this country are getting sick and tired of being trampled or at least feeling as if they are being trampled.
Either address the issue or suppress it. Hopefully sanity will prevail and those "in power" will start to pay attention, but I wouldnt' hold me breath... -
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hyperbola2 months, 2 weeks ago
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They are basically gullible tools in the hands of oligarchs who use their fervor to increase their own power and profit. The same mechanism that oligarchs also used in Germany until the Nazis escaped from their "control". We should feel sorry for the poor fools, but should also be identifying the oligarchs and media that finance/publicize them. We could co-opt them into rebuilding real American democracy, something Obama is not going to do. Indeed, the role disgruntled military veterans played in Germany is another warning of dangerous times in America.
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Stop Begging Obama to be Obama and Get Mad
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/09/15/stop-beg...
The right-wing accusations against Barack Obama are true. He is a socialist, although he practices socialism for corporations. He is squandering the country’s future with deficits that can never be repaid. He has retained and even bolstered our surveillance state to spy on Americans. He is forcing us to buy into a health care system that will enrich corporations and expand the abuse of our for-profit medical care. He will not stanch unemployment. He will not end our wars. He will not rebuild the nation. He is a tool of the corporate state.
The right wing is not wrong. It is not the problem. We are the problem. If we do not tap into the justifiable anger sweeping across the nation, if we do not militantly push back against corporate fraud and imperial wars that we cannot win or afford, the political vacuum we have created will be filled with right-wing lunatics and proto-fascists. The goons will inherit power not because they are astute, but because we are weak and inept.
Violence is a dark undercurrent of American history. It is exacerbated by war and economic decline. Violence is spreading outward from the killing fields in Iraq and Afghanistan to slowly tear apart individuals, families and communities. There is no immunity. The longer the wars continue, the longer the members of our working class are transformed by corporate overlords into serfs, the more violence will dominate the landscape. The slide into chaos and a police state will become inevitable. -
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Endoscopy2 months, 2 weeks ago
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This was supposed to be under Charlson.
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There is the liberal obscene reference to Tea Party people. Why does he have to use that obscene reference? That is the best that he can do for honest discussion? Pathetic.
Why does the Huffington post look for a nutcase and single them out as an example for all of the tea party people. Who was bashing Bush for his huge deficits? Why do the liberals ignore the Obama deficit that in 8 months has outdone the Bush deficit for 8 years. What a record and the spending is not over yet. His health care boondoggle will create 53 brand new bureaucracies to micro manage health care for all involved. That paper work will drive the cost of health care sky high. They will have to employ more people to do that paperwork.
Then the liberals do not understand why the Tea Party people are upset. They have to strain at gnats and find a nutcase here and there. Pathetic.
Where is the liberals who bashed bush about his deficit when it comes to the Obama deficit.
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tadair9192 months, 2 weeks ago
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headline lie. he blogged the words and it got repeated by anderson. not the other way around.
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and that's not a tv "melt down," either
a meltdown is when michael richards (kramer) goes ballistic on stage throwing out racial epithets.
a meltdown is when Elisabeth Hasselbeck goes nutty on The View.
what happened here is the media straw-manning the movement to associate fringe elements with the entire meme. it was a trap by cooper who "did his homework" who baited the interview. -
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djn3nunez32 months, 2 weeks ago
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So where in his speech did he tell the world that it was Americas fault. Btw what was it that be blamed America for anyway? Can you give me a quote?
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Here's the text of his speech.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04ob...-
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ybdogsct2 months, 2 weeks ago
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TADAIR:
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"what happened here is the media straw-manning the movement to associate fringe elements with the entire meme."
Except Anderson Cooper didn't pick on some random participant. He interviewed the self-proclaimed leader of the teabaggers.
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Tangent0012 months, 2 weeks ago
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I admit that 'melt down' is hyperbole, and of course the interview was 'baited', that's what we call investigative Journalism--finding out what people have asserted and calling them on it when appropriate. Unless you prefer softball pitches, I think Cooper did his job.
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BTW Williams did affirm what he wrote.
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Mutainia2 months, 2 weeks ago
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I don't know if Obummer is a Muhammadan or not. But, due to his speech to the Muhammadan world, he basically told the Islamic world that it was America's fault, that he was sorry for that, and, in the process, greatly reduced or eliminated the guilt from the mind of the next Muhammadan terrorist who might be planning an attack on the West. Way to GO, Obummer!!!
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Newperson2 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hw called President an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief. No one should speak of a u.s. president like that. If thay don't like it here find yourself another country and don't let the red white and blue hit you in the ass on the way out!!
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epiphannyy2 months, 2 weeks ago
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The two don't compare, except maybe the Nazi comparisons. Although those were based on his fascist tactics employed during his presidency (wiretapping American citizens, torture, suspension of habeus corpus, etc.) and somehow these people are equating Obama to Hitler because he's a "socialist" and a "communist" and a "marxist" and a "fascist"....never mind it's impossible to be all of these since they ALL mean quite different things. Hitler was a socialist like Ronald Reagan was a tree hugging hippie. It's a ludicrous comparison.
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The warmonger and war criminal charges are true, and can't be denied even if you agreed with his choices. He DID actively seek to invade a sovereign nation who posed no threat by manufacturing intelligence and even outing a CIA agent wife of a political rival in order to win war approval. He did ignore the true threat posed by Osama bin Laden in order to accomplish his manufactured one, putting our country at much greater risk overall. He did approve and encourage the illegal use of torture. He really did do all the things that support the charges of warmonger and war criminal.
So now let's flip that coin. What makes Obama a racist? Justify that charge. What makes him a "welfare thug" or any of the other charges this man levied against him during that interview? But back to the "racist" charge..where did that one even come from? What makes him one? Because he had the audacity to be black and win the presidency of a nation which still harbors a very serious racial divide? -
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tanglang2 months, 2 weeks ago
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"No one should speak of a u.s. president like that."
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Indeed. So where was then outrage towards the left who said and still say much worse about Bush for the last 8 years?
"If thay don't like it here find yourself another country and don't let the red white and blue hit you in the ass on the way out!!"
Really? So how are you any different than the folks who said the same after the 2000 election?
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tadair9192 months, 2 weeks ago
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the article labels the movement "his," as if it belongs to a talk show host.
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it says this "discredit[s] himself and _his_ movement."
i see. so to discredit the entire movement, all that you must do is discredit some of the attendees.
there is no question, out of the 100's of thousands (yes i said 100's of thousands), you are going to find a lot of controversial views. there are kooks in every demographic.
what i don't like. and what is obvious to everyone who has ever attended a "tea party," is that they are associating the entire movement with the fringe in order to undermine it.-
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Tangent0012 months, 2 weeks ago
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Again, it is not Islam that is the problem, it is Fundamentalism. Most religions have some way or other of justifying the killing of the 'other' (including Christianity), but those justifications are only employed by the literalists.
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Commodore12 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yes, yes more hot air from the elitists at the Huffingtonpost smear machine. Whether they are racists or not they are taxpayers and U.S. citizens and have just as much right to be heard as any elitist nazi liberal w/an over inflated ego. They have a point of view as well and whether any nazi liberal likes it or not is completely irrelevant. The snobs at the Huffingtonpost should keep their elitism in check. It makes them look much uglier than any tea partyer. Too bad they are too arrogant to see it.
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jakesguile2 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Elitists, elitist nazi liberal nazi liberal nazi liberal snob elitism elitism arrogance intelligence bwaaahhhhh"
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Did someone fawil Swkool? Is that why you hate intelligence? Is that why you're against higher learning?
You toss that "elitist" label around all the time. What's wrong with elitism? Isn't that your cutthroat b!tch leader Ayn Rand's whole argument? (Forgive me Psych of Women for my denigrating term)
Besides that, isn't it just LOGICAL that we should trust and listen to the smartest and the best in our society?
"There was a time in this country when folks who read weren't called 'tarded, and I believe that time can come again. Where we can have movies with real plots so we know and care whose ass it was on screen and WHY it was farting"
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tadair9192 months, 2 weeks ago
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thank you propeller. for reverting back to your old ways of obfuscating dissent by empowering drive-by neggers who prefer to drown out opinions from those who they merely disagree with.
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you are cuddling to useful-idiots and team-players who do nothing but click a mouse button and create the illusion that minority comments have no merit.
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NoWayMan2 months, 2 weeks ago
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anderson cooper really nailed mark williams here. further turning the teabaggers into what they really are: a circus sideshow.
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my fave moment...
when AC brings up the fact that Williams called Obama the "racist in chief" Williams does everything he can to try and stay afloat (he drowns, sorry to give it away). but whats best is the reaction from both David Gergen and James Carville. their faces are great. they can't hide their dimay and disgust for what williams is saying and the fact that williams is a racist who obviously doesn't even get that he is a racist.
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epiphannyy2 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'm honestly surprised that there hasn't been a split within the republican party, with the TRUE republican conservatives splitting off and leaving their hijacked party to the nuts who have taken them over. Really, if the true conservatives were to reemerge, they'd likely be a very formidable force in a coming election. The republican party of today isn't even recognizable to anyone who has a memory that goes back before Ronald Reagan. I think it would only do our country good if the sane, reasonable, and genuine conservatives would stand up and be counted. Let the Palin followers have that party and create a new one that actually adheres to the original conservative, small government creed that the republicans once stood for. Our country actually needs THAT segment of society represented now more than ever.
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Hhussk2 months, 2 weeks ago
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"The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know - there's a reaction in her that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society.
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~President Obama, Radio Interview.
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Tangent0012 months, 2 weeks ago
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I agree that the phrase was ill-chosen, but there is a truth there. While I won't go so far as to say she is a 'racist', my mother has' tendencies' regarding other races. She speaks in terms of 'those people always...' when referring to blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Is it 'typical' for a black person to be suspicious of a white person? I'd say yes. Is that 'racial'? Yes. Is it 'racist'? I don't know. There is no simple answer to that. It may well be that Obama holds racist enmity towards white people, but other than that one phrase, I see no evidence that would support that assertion.
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Hhussk2 months, 2 weeks ago
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Now, I’ve — I don’t know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.
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~President Obama, commenting on the arrest of his friend, Professor "Skip" Gates
It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak
~President Obama, responding to Journalist Ed Henry about why he took so long to express outrage on executive bonuses.
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bigG2 months, 2 weeks ago
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The first comment was hardly racist, nor was the second.
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I personally agree with what he said about the policeman. Sans a warrant, and NOW without probable cause after determining it was the Preofessor's home, it is time to go away Mr. Cop.
We do not live in a police state, and policemen are governed by laws as well.
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Tangent0012 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'll agree 'stupidly' was ill-chosen language, but he had already qualified the remark by admitting he was not in full possession of the facts. Does that excuse the remark? No. But again, there is truth to the statement. The Cambridge police DID act stupidly.
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Hhussk2 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'll agree 'stupidly' was ill-chosen language, but he had already qualified the remark by admitting he was not in full possession of the facts. Does that excuse the remark? No. But again, there is truth to the statement. The Cambridge police DID act stupidly.
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That's not the point. The point is, Obama has stated he doesn't talk about events until he knows what he's talking about. And then, he blatently makes a snap judgement, even after admitting he does not know the facts.
And therefore, the point is, if you want to accuse someone of being racist, you need to start with comments that are made regardless of the facts.
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Icantwait2 months, 2 weeks ago
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My Fellow Americans: The Tea Parties are your Neighbors, your Parents, your Brothers and Sisters. Basically, concerned Americans, Real Americans, that simply want their Lives returned to a more stable Economy, there Freedoms not tampered with, and the Future of their Children not Bankrupted.
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Pelosi Called our Grass Roots Movement, Nazis, Radical Liberals came up with the Derogatory Term Tea Baggers, and your Radical Leader apologized for our Americanism to our Enemies. So, who really are the Lunatics. The Real American-
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jakesguile2 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'm going to have to rip into you on your last point again.
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WHERE THE HELL do you get off saying that Americans should never apologize. If you f*ck up, YOU APOLOGIZE. It takes a BIG man to apologize, ESPECIALLY on the world stage. It takes a small cowardly pathetic man to sit and say "We don't apologize, we don't apologize, Americans are too good to apologize" SHOW SOME F*CKING HUMILITY. MY GOODNESS, no WONDER half the world hates this country because of arrogance like that. It's disrespectful as HELL.
Leaders lead by example, and THAT means if they f*ck up, they apologize for their f*ck up and promise not to do it again. If WE do not stand up to do that, how can we expect ANY OTHER COUNTRY to do the same?
I have NEVER understood the level of "pride" it takes to be so proud of one's country they're incapable of seeing past the nationalism to the mistakes they make. If you make a mistake, you give a little respectful apologetic bow to your elders, apologize for making the mistake and vow to work harder in the future to not repeat it that's how I was always taught and that's how I think it ought to be
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Icantwait2 months, 1 week ago
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My Fellow American: Well! Anti American. One of these days we will read about you gunning down a group of school Children. White ones I imagine. You're anger and sense of History is Demented. Your language is demented and your sense of reality is demented. God help those poor individuals that go to you for psychological help. You are one sick puppy. Where do I get off calling your false leader a traitor, a liar, a fascist. The same way I get off calling you that. I am a Real American. Tell me what country you choose to live in and why. Don't rant about what your fascist college that rewrote our Decent American History Brain Scrubbed you with. What country do you really want to live in and then go there. We need Americans not Radical Socialist with some kind of Anger Complex. The Real American
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rjl11712 months, 2 weeks ago
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“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."
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najjr32 months, 2 weeks ago
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If you all Obama-worshippers think that this so-called Health Care Reform bill that your Obama is hawking so desperately -(He wants this bill approve this year!?) then explain this to me....
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WHY, if this bill will benefit a lot of americans (& illegals), when approved, WHY is the effective date start in year 2013? after the presidential elections ? I'll propose a theory.......
This president is hoping to get re-elected in 2012 (he HOPES...his favorite mantra)and since this bill will further destroy our economy, he wants his present popularity amongst you worshipppers to carry him through towards his goal. Thes he could care less after that, when he throws you guys, including us regular americans, under the bus (like he did with all his unwanted baggages)SEE THE PICTURE ?-
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dcfixer2 months, 2 weeks ago
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Oh, sure. That's exactly what he wants; to go down in history as the first mixed race, minority president to screw this country. He has sooooooo much to gain in doing this. He'll make his kids and grand kids soooooo proud, and he has really shown, throughout his life, that he doesn't give a crap about minorities or the poor.
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Yea, you tell us all about his motivations.
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