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Posted By Radiofreeeuropa 3 months, 1 week ago in Political NewsSouthern Poverty Law Center: The 1990s saw the rise and fall of the virulently anti-government "Patriot" movement, made up of paramilitary militias, tax evaders, and so-called "sovereign citizens." Sparked by a combination of anger at the federal government and the deaths of political dissenters at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, the movement took off in the middle of the decade and continued to grow even after 168 people were left dead by the 1995 bombing of Oklahoma City's federal building — an attack, the deadliest ever by domestic U.S. terrorists, carried out by men steeped in the rhetoric and conspiracy theories of the militias.
In the years that followed, a truly remarkable number of criminal plots came out of the movement. But by early this century, the Patriots had largely faded, weakened by systematic prosecutions, aversion to growing violence, and a new, highly conservative president.
As we report in this issue's cover story, they're back. Almost a decade after largely disappearing from public view, right-wing militias, ideologically driven tax defiers and sovereign citizens are appearing in large numbers around the country. "Paper terrorism" — the use of property liens and citizens' "courts" to harass enemies — is on the rise. And once-popular militia conspiracy theories are making the rounds again, this time accompanied by nativist theories about secret Mexican plans to "reconquer" the American Southwest.
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Radiofreeeuropa3 months, 1 week ago
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This is an unwelcome return. Is the asinine rhetoric of wingnuts with microphones feeding gasoline to fires of violence and hate?
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There is an unstable and marginalized group out there, angry that world changes are leaving them behind again. Easily pushed over the edge, we know they are quite capable of murder and violence. The museum murderer, the OBGYN murderer were wingnuts. The nutcases who posted a poll on facebook asking if the president should be murdered and all those who responded were wingnuts.
Dim people fired up with carnival religious fervor fed a steady stream of hate rhetoric...Is this really good for a political party to associate itself with? Are the reasonable conservatives putting party before the nation's interests by not disassociating and condemning the violent anti-government rhetoric and sincerely brain dead in their ranks?-
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miklkit3 months, 1 week ago
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The republocon party IS the party of hatred and violence. That is the platform their Ministry of Propaganda has been pushing for well over a year now, with no sign of abating. Their "responsible" leaders are completely cowed by their talking heads.
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Radiofreeeuropa3 months, 1 week ago
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This is not criticism of conservatism nor would I suggest most conservatives are of the wingnut variety. But how many legitimate conservatives are willing to condemn the idiots who are speaking for their party? Though it took a while, William Buckley decided despite their fevered support for Republicans, the lunacy of the John Birch society ultimately de-legitimized the party. That took some! Who today would be bold enough?
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tadair9193 months, 1 week ago
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Buckley was a Yale graduate Skull and Bonesman who vociferously supported the Vietnam quagmire which began with a phantom attack in the Gulf of Tolkin, (blamed on faulty intelligence). Listen to this Cronkite report: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story...
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He gets credit for denouncing the John Birch Society meme, while maintaining a Goldwater/Reagan image. Ironically, John Birch Society members were precisely the same people who supported Goldwater/Reagan in the first place. Read: He's like a Democrat who got credit for denouncing Moveon.org for their "extremist" betray-us ad campaign.
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Natureboy3 months, 1 week ago
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How many leftists are ready to put down the blogging and marching with picket signs schtick and speak to the popular discontent?
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Fail to do so and you abdicate leadership to the Tim McVeighs, the Rush Limbaughs, the Turner diary loonies.
Unfortunately, the left as it exists today is disconnected from the working class, and has become its own weird wheat-germ and granola bourgeoise subculture.
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slate3 months, 1 week ago
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FTA: Southern Poverty Law Center: The 1990s saw the rise and fall of the virulently anti-government "Patriot" movement, made up of paramilitary militias, tax evaders, and so-called "sovereign citizens." Sparked by a combination of anger at the federal government and the deaths of political dissenters at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, the movement took off in the middle of the decade and continued to grow even after 168 people were left dead by the 1995 bombing of Oklahoma City's federal building — an attack, the deadliest ever by domestic U.S. terrorists, carried out by men steeped in the rhetoric and conspiracy theories of the militias.
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I agree that radicals are among us and should be dealt with. However I do find it interesting that the left puts articles like this up and act as if the right is the sole party with bad folks in it and/or ‘their’ Democratic party is blameless and innocent as they point a finger to the right.
• The Democratic Party has been replete with fringe groups for a very long time. The list is long.
• Tax Evaders? Yeah? Ask the current leadership about tax evasion within the upper echelons of the administration, even after Biden said we should pay more taxes to be more patriotic. (hypocrites).
• The Dems promptly killed the dissenters of Ruby Ridge and Waco (not a very enlightened act by the so called enlightened party). You see dissent to them is a one sided thing. Their ‘dissent’ is patriotic (ala Hillary 2008), other dissent gets you labeled as tea baggers, , Astro-Turfers, racists, un-American, Nazis, domestic terrorists, and a host of other propagandist names issued to try and either silence you or label you for ‘future’ actions.-
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Radiofreeeuropa3 months, 1 week ago
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Well Slate hello. Hey I give you credit for admitting that these people are among us and should be dealt with. It's good to see ONE person at least has common sense.
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Please tell me who these anti government democrats are, so I can denounce them as well.
(If your thinking the weathermen from the 60's...I'm not sure they count today as anything other than a footnote in history, and they were protesting the Democratic Convention not supporting it.
I don't know if they believed in voting to tell you the truth, a misguided anti war group.
I think it's not really fair to compare gun toting KKK types to Hillary Clinton's campaign as well.
Civil disobedience is civil. Gun toting conspiracy theorists attempting to shout down women in wheel chairs at town halls are not particularly civil and make their "message" if they have one easy to ignore.
We all agree dissent is welcome, honest debate is welcome. I'm not convinced that's what these neo nazi and white supremacy groups are doing though. (I'm not using these words frivolously, go to the home page and click on tracking hate groups, a map will come up then click by state.) Last time I checked the FBI was not affiliated with a political party.
Not to rehash old news but as I recall there was a legal warrant for taking the childmolesting self appointed messiah amassing weapons into custody. His group fired on Law Enforcement. He agreed to be taken into custody if given radio time to talk. He was granted the radio time but changed his mind about coming along peacefully. The FBI gave him what? a month? He chose to hide behind his followers and use them as a shield, just as Saddam was accused of. At some point there was bound to be a bad ending. This clown was no hero. Another complete lunatic ala Jim Jones. It's too bad for those he preyed on.
But taking on the FBI? Who thought they were going to say OK we'll go away Mr. Koresh?
If funding for an organization comes from a corporation who benefits politically from that organization while pretending they are not associated with the corporation they have been labled astro turfs, because they weren't started by grass roots organizations but rather a political party or corporation. It's a fair description and they should be called on it regardless of who the funding-sponsorship comes from.
Hey now, if you don't want to be called a teabagger, why have teabag parties? Have a coffee get together, or better yet have a beer. I have never called anyone a nazi unless they REALLY were sympathetic to or made the claim themselves.
The groups tracked by the SPLC advocate violence and are not to be taken lightly or as legitimate. There is a line between dissent and criminal.
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Striker1013 months, 1 week ago
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from your profile, @radiofreeuropa: "Politically, I am opposed to totalitarianism in all forms."
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from Barry Goldwater: "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
I'm sure you're aware of the growing totalianarism. Please be more careful about branding all who resist as wingnuts and terrorists. You'll find more of us oppose totatalitarianism, which MUST end, yet continue to seek ways of reaching that end without bloody revolution. It's a very crazy world out there, tho, and let's face it, we may all have to make a very hard choice before much longer.-
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vor3 months, 1 week ago
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"I'm sure you're aware of the growing totalianarism."
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You wouldn't know totalitarianism if they took you to Room 201 and put a rat cage on your face! You lost a f-cking election MORON, get over it!
So you were OK with Cheney wanting to expand executive powers (so he could wield them himself) but Obama propping up the failed free market is just unacceptable. And we should also remain the only ciivilized nation without health coverage for all, based solely on the fear of totalitarianism? The insanity that permeates the Right today is far beyond what was going on in the Clinton years. As the author said, it will only take a spark to light a fire. My first question is how in the h-ll are these fools going to determine who they are going to shoot? Do they start killing government employees and known liberals? Or do they just randomly start shooting at their neighbors in their paranoia. What is going to differentiate Americans in a war of idealogy? Something is coming. There must be some reason ammunition suppliers can't keep up with the current demand. Some reason that having 10,000 rounds in a single household is not enough.
The first question I always asks t-rds like yourself is: Did you (and do you still) support the actions of Timothy McVeigh? This usually leads to a cold blank stare and dead silence. The answer is plainly obvious in most cases. -
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Jeboba3 months, 1 week ago
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You are opposed to totalitarianism? WHERE was your outrage during the 8 long years of dictatorial actions by G.W. Bush? Hmmmm?
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We are moving out from under his actions with reversals of his policies. In time, after more pressing legislation has been addressed, we need to do away with the patriot act and all of the other Bush policies that took away your freedoms.
WAKE UP! Pay attention! STOP listening to the rabble rousing hatemongers like Limbaugh and Beck! TRY hard to become a thinking person rather than a parrot of extreme right wing ideology!
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Tasine3 months, 1 week ago
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"This is an unwelcome return. Is the asinine rhetoric of wingnuts with microphones feeding gasoline to fires of violence and hate?"
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I assume you do not consider yourself feeding gasoline to fires of violence and hate.
"There is an unstable and marginalized group out there, angry that world changes are leaving them behind again. Easily pushed over the edge, we know they are quite capable of murder and violence."
I call that comment hateful incitement, an attempt to stir up the faithful to continue agitating the dissenters.
I believe you are talking about the people who are opposed to the severe socialist move this administration has brought to our White House. I know hundreds of these people, not a one of them violent, not a one of them over the edge, not a one of them who shouts filth. Are you denying the American people the right to dissent? If citizens cannot dissent, what course of action would you have them take to make their voices known? Your President has been and is currently closely tied to ACORN, a very well-known criminal organization - and you have the nerve to lecture American dissenters?! Who do you think you are?
You, radiofreeeuropa, with this comment, are serving as agitator to disharmony, and I am calling you on it. I am also requesting a list of your sources to prove the innuendos and outright prejudicial insults and lies. Teabaggers have done NO, I repeat, NO harm or damage. They even clean up areas in which they protest - compare that to Obama's campaign where trash was strewn everywhere. How dare you lecture fine, decent upstanding citizens from your perch within a criminal crowd! Your comments are an outright malignant insult to decent American citizens.
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cowboygrandpa3 months, 1 week ago
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Tasine:
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You are painting with a pretty broad brush your self.
" How dare you lecture fine, decent upstanding citizens from your perch within a criminal crowd! Your comments are an outright malignant insult to decent American citizens."
Yeah like the clowns that shout out at the president while he is giving a speech ??
Or the tea baggers with signs that say unarmed this time ???
Or the stupid racists who claim Obama wasn't born in America, so he is not their president ??
I will say that Obama is not their president, for they are not Americans if they deny the man is their president !!!!
I was disgusted with GW Bush and his riduculous administration and considered him a Nazi/ Fascist. But he was the "elected" president of America, and as an American it was my duty to respect his office, not the man.
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Tasine3 months, 1 week ago
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Did you say "pray"? I am surprised. Most of what I read here on Propeller makes fun of people who "pray" who go to church", who "believe in God". Some refer to it as mysticism, silly, ridiculous, a crutch to lean on, etc. Actually, if religion is so dangerous that some think it should be totally erased from all public eyes, wouldn't it be hypocritical to pray for our President?
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To answer your questions:
Yeah like the clowns that shout out at the president while he is giving a speech ?? YES
Or the tea baggers with signs that say unarmed this time ??? YES
Or the stupid racists who claim Obama wasn't born in America, so he is not their president ?? YES, AS RACISM IS NOT THEIR ISSUE. OBAMA'S DESTRUCTION OF THIS COUNTRY IS THEIR ISSUE. IF YOU CAN PROVE THEY ARE RACIST, DO IT. OTHERWISE QUIT SAYING IT. IT IS SLANDER, LIBEL, AND WE ARE NOT PUBLIC FIGURES WHO CAN BE MALIGNED WITH IMPUNITY. -
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vor3 months, 1 week ago
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"How dare you lecture fine, decent upstanding citizens from your perch within a criminal crowd"
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That's a mighty high and steamy pile you plopped out there! All liberals are ACORN (which incidentally is no more a criminal organization than the NFL), all liberals are Code Pink, all liberals bow to George Soros! Man, that thing is really beginning to stink up the place. Your stereotyping of the 65 million who voted for Obama is rather evil in its implications (and its stench).
"Are you an American? Rhetorical question (that means you don't have to answer)."
I am an American and so are you (apparently). Other than that we have little in common anymore other than basic language and legal citizenship. We can communicate but not in any meaningful manner anymore. We now see the world through a completely different lens. Should we then fight each other? Afterall that is what mankind has always eventually resorted to when there are unresolvable differences. And I see little hope that we ever have a truly common bond again.
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Jeboba3 months, 1 week ago
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Nice try. I know some of these people too. They are fine until you TRY to have a reasonable conversation with them about politics. Then they become rabid, unreasonable, and downright scarey. I have abandoned a bunch of my friends for that reason alone. I don't want to be in the room with they draw their beloved weapon guaranteed them by the constitution. I'm sure the constitution framers didn't have in mind the total nutbags the gun lovers would become.
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jovial3 months, 1 week ago
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It is a fact that during the teabag protests that the KKK, IKA, Neo-nazi and other hate groups targeted those protests as breeding grounds for new recruits. I think that there was some success in recruiting new members. Don't you find it odd that these extreme groups found teabag protests as a good place to find new recruits? Why wouldn't they try to target a liberal protest for new recruits?
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"Some people and organizations with more than a tax reform agenda are hoping to exploit the tax protesters’ anger and win them over to their causes. At the white supremacist website, Stormfront, for example, people have posted comments urging their fellow racists to attend tea parties and try to recruit new members to their cause.
“Don’t go there [Tea Parties] with flags and uniforms, and don’t try to preach the truth,” advised one Stormfront writer. “Go in civil, meet people with whom we might do things later, and try to get into the organising [sic] circles.” Another writer said in response that white supremacists shouldn’t “fail to push to envelope” but cautioned them to “dress inconspicuously.”
Meanwhile, the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) is urging its members to attend tea parties. The CCC is the successor to the White Citizens Councils that opposed desegregation in the South in the 1950s and 1960s. It is a white supremacist group that opposes non-white immigration and affirmative action, while supporting the display of the Confederate battle flag."
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/04/14/hate-grou...-
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Endoscopy3 months, 1 week ago
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So you are another one who uses the vile name teabagger. Fits right in with your hatred of anything conservative. It lets you forget the historic implications that drive the tea party people while denigrating them. Then you get upset at the groups on the right while you descend to their level.
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Then you talk about right wing hate groups trying to get more members at the gathering of conservatives. Do you think they would go to Gay rights activists, PETS, Greenpeace, Code Pink, or other far left wing groups getting together? Your comment is silly. The question you leave unanswered is how successful do you think they were. My guess is not very. Tea Party people reject them out of hand. -
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jovial3 months, 1 week ago
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Endoscopy, You're nuts! I didn't use the word teabagger in my comment. I said "teabag protests". The rest of my comment was a quote from the link i provided. Then it makes the actual amount of people attending these protests inflated as well, because standing within their midst were racist recruiters. How many of those recruiters did attend? Maybe that's why the right kept quoting 2 million. LMAO!
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cowboygrandpa3 months, 1 week ago
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FTA:
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"One federal law enforcement agency has found 50 new militia training groups — one of them made up of present and former police officers and soldiers. Authorities around the country are reporting a worrying uptick in Patriot activities and propaganda. "This is the most significant growth we've seen in 10 to 12 years," says one. "All it's lacking is a spark. I think it's only a matter of time before you see threats and violence."
A key difference this time is that the federal government — the entity that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy — is headed by a black man. That, coupled with high levels of non-white immigration and a decline in the percentage of whites overall in America, has helped to racialize the Patriot movement, which in the past was not primarily motivated by race hate. One result has been a remarkable rash of domestic terror incidents since the presidential campaign, most of them related to anger over the election of Barack Obama.
At the same time, ostensibly mainstream politicians and media pundits have helped to spread Patriot and related propaganda, from conspiracy theories about a secret network of U.S. concentration camps to wholly unsubstantiated claims about the president's country of birth.
The latter claims from the so-called "birthers" first gained traction when far-right hard-liners like writer Jerome Corsi, politician Alan Keyes and Watergate felon and radio show host G. Gordon Liddy questioned the validity of the president's birth certificate. But they have picked up speed thanks to the likes of Lou Dobbs, the CNN and radio host who has repeatedly demanded that Obama "show the documents" proving his citizenship — this despite the fact that the birther claims had been thoroughly debunked by a guest host of Dobbs' own CNN show and by many others.
As Chip Berlet, an analyst of the radical right at Political Research Associates, said in a recent report: "The current political environment is awash with seemingly absurd but nonetheless influential conspiracy theories, hyperbolic claims and demonized targets. And this creates a milieu where violence is a likely outcome."
We are the United States of America !!! Not the United Conservatives, against the United Liberals of America !!!
For crying out loud !!!!
This is what our enemies have been hoping for. The nation divided by the hate of their fellow Americans.
Divide and conquer !!!
I may not agree with ultra conservatives, nor the extreme liberals. Mainly because I don't consider them as true Americans. They have an agenda that is anti-American, promoting dominance of only their ideals.
Where is the Freedom there ????
We need both conservative and liberal input to maintain the balance of this country.
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cowboybill1173 months ago
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Maybe you should research before labeling any group as right wing terrorists. The first group you attacked is called ' Oath Takers". They are people who have taken the same oath the President did. Because their service is over, the oath still stands, the oath to defend the Contititution. Now you say they are terrorists for that oath? Do you include all people in this country who took that oath terrorist or just the ones who don't agree with your ideas?
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tadair9193 months, 1 week ago
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"the lunacy of the John Birch society"
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The John Birch Society was founded by people who believed there is exists a conspiracy of powerful people whose intent is to achieve worldwide political and economic hegemony at the expense of the liberty of American citizens. While in the 60's that may have been a crazy belief, it suddenly doesn't sound so strange anymore.
Their current members are solidly opposed to the whole neocon program of preemptive war, spying on citizens, abrogations of the Constitution, and wants to reign in spending for which the neocons have indulged in.
John Birch Society Always takes a bad rap because of the concerted effort to alienate their name as a bunch of right-wing whackos, and in the end; most Americans have fallen for the ploy and don't even seem to know what they stand for.
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Striker1013 months ago
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@tadair, I was among the earliest members of the JBS... for perhaps a month. During that period it became clear that bunch just sought it's own version of totalitarianism, and I got the hell out.
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But I agree, these days the JBS is on an even keel and their website is produced articles par excellance'.
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Radiofreeeuropa3 months, 1 week ago
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Thanks for being civil Striker 101. It is best to keep a watchful eye. However I do not perceive the Federal govt. intruding on my life any more now than when Barry was around, in fact a little less.
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I like my national parks, I acknowledge the need for defense, I acknowledge the need for laws and law enforcement, I'd like more public education not less. No one likes paying taxes particularly, but how else could these services be funded...if your thinking states, I suggest that state governments would still impose the taxes, and state governments are easier to corrupt because they're not as well lit by the 4th estate. They also have the same fiscal irresponsibility issue. (the only ones who don't are heavily subsidized by federal monies). No I don't see where we are as totalitarian, my freedom to travel, speak my mind, dissent, all still intact. And improving healthcare is fine by me. I'd rather a public servant stand between me and my doctor than an insurance executive who will get a 10,000 dollar bonus for finding a way to deny care. Usurpation has been less a government issue than a corporate one. Multinational corporations have more power than governments.
Still a watchful eye is always wise. But a kneejerk reaction is a kneejerk reaction. Bad for the chin.
(By the way I did admire Goldwater as a human...he was alright in my book. I thought he, like many in those days had an unrational fear of commies coming to get ya...but later in life took a much different view of who threatened America you know).
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Jeboba3 months, 1 week ago
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Relax, they are not 'new'. They have been around a LONG time INCLUDING during Republican administrations. You cons always like to make anything you don't like appear to be something new cooked up by Obama.
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Tangent0013 months, 1 week ago
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I suggest you stop using credit cards, debit cards and those supermarket coupon cards, because every single transaction is tracked, stored, analyzed and sold. Your credit rating is even affected by your buying habits.
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jakesguile3 months, 1 week ago
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Why, because they expose your filthy filthy bigotry? Because they call out your supposed Christianity and make you 'prove it' (ooooh I used the sinful libtard term) rather than accept it at face value while you bastardize every single f*cking thing Christ ever stood for?! Because they tell you you can't let a bunch of middle-aged white guys play army in the woods because they might go try to go put a pound of buckshot in our president (who actually WON his election, incidentally)? Because they give the Fred Phelps' and the Watchmen on the Walls' of the world no quarter amongst civilized society?
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Which part do you not like exactly?
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fritz10213 months, 1 week ago
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This Crap has been going on ever since the loony toon Party of the Republicons got Power,And we just let it go on and on and on
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one of them days the Toons will do something really bad then we will all be sitting their How did that Happened???And then it will be to late,and of course the Republicans will be outraged and pass legislation.And the Easter Bunny will come to your house also next week. -
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beckjr20003 months, 1 week ago
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The Southern Poverty Law Center and Mark Potok are doing their best to creat as much trouble in our society as possible. They make a lot of accusations without any support, quoting "A Government Agency". We do have problems in our country that need to be worked out but I see no coorporation by the Left or even an attempt to reach out to the Right. The radical members of the Left are in control of the Democratic Party.
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Radiofreeeuropa3 months, 1 week ago
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Do you believe these groups don't exist?
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Or that they pose no threat?
Radicals on the left?
The only group the President has not done any favors for or compromised in behalf of, is the grassroots liberals who supported him. He is as centrist as they come. -
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Jeboba3 months, 1 week ago
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I guess it takes the radical members of the left in the dems to balance out the radical members of the right in control of the Republican party.
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Problem is, the MOST radical on the left are more grounded and reasonable to ANY of the radicals on the right who would take up guns and commit violence....being encouraged and validated by Limbaugh, Beck, etc.
YOU and your ilk allowed this to go on through the Bush years. YOU need to clean up the mess. The ONLY way to clean it up is to get rid of all of the radical righties in office and try to get some moderate republicans elected! YOU should vote out all of the liars and thieves and cheaters you have elected over the years. -
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Wolfie20073 months, 1 week ago
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The Southern Poverty Law Center consists of a post office box and a fax machine. They do no investigations of anything or anybody they just make up crap for the lefties and then ask for donations.
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jansimply3 months, 1 week ago
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They made a mistake. They meant to say left wing because there is no right wing extremist. What is in this article describes the Chicago thugs to a tee. It also describes the majority of the Democratic Party especially when they talk about tax cheats. Democrats for some reason think they are exempt from paying taxes. They just like to enforce the citizens of the United State to pay them. It also describes the dangerous liberal thugs who spew vile trash when they protest. On the other side, you have the decent, polite, and clean tea party members who don't like what this administration is trying to do to their freedoms and their livelihoods.
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crwlonnie3 months, 1 week ago
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Though I am not a member of any militia I can understand their concern. We have the most liberal president and congress in history that are trying their best to weaken our country and bring on their socialist agenda. Obama backs Iran and the palestenians and slaps Isreal in the face at the same time. All of our learned leaders refuse to close our southern borders and continue to allow violence and illegal aliens of all types to flow over our border. Obama apologizes for every historic action in our past that made us strong and makes us weaker every time he opens his mouth. This is not a safe world in which we live. America has enemies to our south, off our coast in cuba, in the middle east, China is on and off, Russia is on and off, and any where radical Islam is practiced.
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I feel better as our founding fathers did with a strong well armed public standing by. We have no choice in fighting the Talliban, and Islamic Jihad, and we are right to finish Iraq but it depletes the military resources at home. Hard times are coming quickly with Isreal protecting it's borders and citizens while surrounded by enemies wanting to wipe them off the face of the earth. Their rightous preemptive strike on Iran could result in world war three. We are setting on a powder keg and we have an extremely weak president at the helm.
He could even be foolish enough to order american pilots to shoot down Isreali jets flying to protect their country. I am sure militias have always been there in the background throughout our history but nothing in recent history has caused them to band together and fight as one, when that time comes we may be happy as in our history thatthey were standing by ever vigilent and ever ready to protect the freedom and rights we have all come to love. One nation under GOD with LIBERTY and JUSTICE for all.-
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"thatthey were standing by ever vigilent and ever ready to protect the freedom and rights we have all come to love. One nation under GOD with LIBERTY and JUSTICE for all."
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Yeah except I'm gay, where are your equal rights for me? Those millita groups are more likely to fill me with buckshot than to give me equal rights. Especially because I'm an uke gay, your kind just don't like me. I'm being hypocritical because I should just say talk to the hand but you knoowwwww.... I think you may be a sockpuppet.... or at least a digg reject. Your support of the millitas and Minutemen disturbs me deeply. It saddens me too, for you cannot see the point of the SPLC that they target these groups as hate groups because they are groups who hate. If you are against the SPLC, then I'd make an educated hypothesis you're proooobably in one of the groups they've listed as a hate group and you're just feeling kinda bitter. Swallow thy bitter pill hate groups, you've lost this war.
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Radiofreeeuropa3 months, 1 week ago
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You can rest assured, had unions not saved your ancestors from the indentured slavery that existed in this country your sorry a** would never have been born. They would have been worked to death befre reaching puberty.
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Crack a real history book and learn a shred of truth regarding labor conflicts in this country.
Many a good human died in a struggle against tyranny and unions had a major role.
Acorn is coming to get ya...ooo scary... do you have any idea how silly this non issue is?
You managed to unemploy all 8 acorn workers in N. Carolina...yeah, they were a real threat. LOL! Sad for any American to lose their job. But good for you,,,irrational fear and lunacy carry the day in that goldfish bowl your banging your head against.
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awongscreen3 months, 1 week ago
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These right wing fundamentalists have used violence and dirty tactics to overthrow foreign governments that do not subscribe to their capitalist agenda. It is not surprising that they will try to do the same thing here. The people needs to get themselves more educated on the facts and take a stand against them.
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cowboybill1173 months, 1 week ago
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AWONG just some facts, this group was named above. OATH TAKERS, I am a member of it, what it does as use the internet and other sourses to give their message out. Every member is a active policeman, solider and others who have in the past taken the oath to uphold the constititution. They also have vets,and retired police and firemen. their is no violence, in fact the only violance there has been at any protest in the last year was from the left side.
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catlady223 months, 1 week ago
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LOL...These sad little "anti capitalists" are sooooo comical with their cell phones, bank accts, WalMart groceries, ETC. If you REALLY mean what you say, why don't you go off the grid and live in a hut, shoot your food and bathe in a creek. Hypocrites.
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epiphannyy3 months, 1 week ago
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America is no longer a capitalist society...its a CORPORATIST society. Capitalism is a system where everyone has the chance of success with hard work and perseverance. That is no longer the case in America. Corporations run the show now. They have created a new oligarchy which is, by its very definition, anti-capitalist. It's a system of elites and peasants, with no competition to allow the peasant a fighting chance.
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What is "sad" is how many so-called "patriots" can't recognize the system they are so mightily defending is wholly as un-American a system as was the British Crown during the American Revolution.
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T-J1ofakind3 months, 1 week ago
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WAIT JUST ONE MINUTE HERE!! DO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT, CHARLIE RANGEL, TOM DASCHEL AND TIM GEITNER ET. AL.,(meaning all other libs that this applies to), ARE MILITIA MEMBERS? WELL, THEY ARE TAX CHEATS, THEY OR THEIR ENTOURAGE OWN GUNS AND AS FAR AS THEM BEING SOVEREIGN CITIZENS, THEY DO BELIEVE, THAT THE LAWS THEY ENACT AGAINST YOU AND I, DON'T APPLY TO THEM. I GUESS YOUR CORRECT, THE LIBERALS ARE RIGHT-WING TAX CHEATING GUN NUTS AND ABOVE THE LAW!!!! GOD HELP THIS REPUBLIC!!
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Radiofreeeuropa3 months, 1 week ago
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My interest today was in seeing if the self described "conservatives" would admit the rise in irrational fringe elements in their midst who threaten violence to the U.S. government are not good for their party and particularly not good for the United States Of America.
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So far 1 brave man stepped up to the challenge.
Thankyou Slate. We can disagree on details, but anyone willing to put the country's interest before party is a welcome and refreshing breath of fresh air on propeller and indeed in all public discourse.
Tadair...you get the runner up...you were civil and often are...
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cowboybill1173 months, 1 week ago
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Strange to see the left accuse the right of being everything the left is. Read posts on any subject, 95% of the left is name calling, vulgar and very few facts. The 9/11 in Washington, proven to be 1.7 million, the left says fireman said 65,00, yet fire depts say they do not give out counts. My point being, the left can not accept facts. Obama, Pelosi, many others have proven them selves liars time after time. Anyone with a brain has seen it, except the left, who says they never lie. My self, I can not understand how anyone can be so out of just common sense.
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Radiofreeeuropa3 months ago
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Hilarious. Still claiming the ridiculous lie.
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1.8 million were there for Obama's inaugural. Ask any resident or local business if there was any comparison. Look at the satellite shots yourself, there is no comparison. The fire dept. said they don't give official estimates any more because they don't want their jobs politicized but gave an unofficial estimate. That's the closest thing to a non partisan figure any one has garnered. Estimates from people who support the event such as Beck are not a resonable reference and have no common sense as you say...".the university of I don't remember" said...
Cowbill, really what does Obama and Pelosi have to do do with hate groups?
Are they telling anyone to take up arms and commit violence against their political foes.
Notice the comments on this thread, right wingers except for 1 have twisted and turned and found some way to
a.defend these groups
b. change the subject
d. attack democrats, liberals, or the left
rather than address the issue of armed militias composed of right wing extremists.
I criticized the Bush policies because they were bad for the country and the evidence is in.
They certainly were. If a group of liberals was planning to any sort of violence I would and do denounce it...there is the difference. The word "liberal" simply means someone with an open mind... a broad view, someone who favors progress and fairness.
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Bush Follows Up Victory with Huge Job Creation
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Friday, November 5, 2004 12:00 PM
Bush Boom Continues: Job creation exploding, stock market soaring, and growth is accelerating
WASHINGTON, D.C. - The United States economy created a staggering 337,000 jobs in October, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported today, smashing Wall Street economists' consensus projections of for a gain 175,000. October's figures are the strongest in seven months and mark the 14th straight month of solid job creation. Employment gains for August and September were also revised up by 113,000. In all, the American economy has created 450,000 jobs in the past three months and 2.3 million jobs since President Bush's tax cuts in 2003.
"The effectiveness of President Bush's tax cuts has been affirmed twice this week; first at the ballot box and now in the job market," said ATR President Grover Norquist. "By giving Americans back more of their own hard earned money, President Bush has led us through terrorist attacks, recession, corporate scandal, and war and at the same time created 2.3 million new jobs."
The U.S. economy has created an average of 200,000 jobs each month for the past 14 months. In addition to the 2.3 million jobs generated since the 2003 tax cuts, the economy is on pace to create 2.4 million more jobs in 2004, nearly matching the prediction made earlier this year by the White House Council of Economic Advisors. The unemployment rate currently stands at a historically low 5.5 percent, less than average of the 1970's, 80's and 90's.
Other economic news demonstrates the economy is booming. In the two days since the election, $300 billion of new shareholder wealth has been created. At the same time, the economy is expanding at an average quarterly rate of 4.7 percent since the 2003 tax cut was enacted. This economic expansion is by far larger than the historical average of 3.5 percent.
"President Bush's tax cuts have a proven track record of job creation and should be made permanent." continued Norquist. "President Bush and Congress should pursue further tax reform so the growth and prosperity can expand at even greater rates."
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