The Right Wing Attack on Patriotism - A Look At The Health Effects on REAL Patriots »
Posted By Goppy 1 month, 4 weeks ago in Health & Fitness"What's goin' on, kid?'' – and quick to laugh. But after losing his U.S. Senate seat to an opponent who ran post-9/11 TV ads that showed the decorated Vietnam vet alongside Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, Cleland fell into a depression he was afraid he might not pull out of. It was public service, he says, that had given his life shape and meaning after he left three limbs on a battlefield in Khe Sanh.
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Goppy1 month, 4 weeks ago
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It's often pointed out that Hitler loved to employ an audacious technique - to lie in such a fantastic manner - that people would be less likely to confront the lie. The theory being ... "Who would make up such a fantastic and completely astounding thing, unless it had some truth to it?"
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Such is the callousness of the Modern Republicans ... and their opposition to Health Insurance Reform.
But before there were "Death Panels" ... there was Karl Rove and Saxby Chambliss ... who had the sheer audacity to link a Vietnam Veteran ... a man who lost 3 limbs in combat ... as a TRAITOR to our nation ... and a friend of Osama bin Laden.
Can there be any more proof that Modern Republicanism is built on a foundation of Moral Vacancy?
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fiftynine1 month, 4 weeks ago
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"Can there be any more proof that Modern Republicanism is built on a foundation of Moral Vacancy?"....
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Yes,want more proof...How come you didn't hear not one patriotic repub speaking out against those atrocious ad's..not one !! They went right along with it....abosolutely sickening.!! -
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Endoscopy1 month, 4 weeks ago
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Well the morally vacant one is back again and with a morally vacant story by a liberal. All the foolish ranters piling on that think that 9/11 happened because of what we had previously done and we got our just deserts. That we were lied to to go to war with Iraq. These morally vacant re-writers of history never look at what happened historically but make up their own version and use that.
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Who attacked us? Muslim terrorists.
When was th first time we fought Muslim terrorists? 1801-1805 and then again in 1815.
What do these terrorist say is the reason they do these things? Both back then and now they claim that the Quran and hadith tell them they are to treat non Muslims this way. They are to fight the infidels until they turn to Islam and have sharia law. They will kill any infidel or Muslim that disagrees with what they want to do.
What morals do the liberals bring to this problem of what the terrorists believe? Sit around and talk nice nice with people who believe that war is deceit and anyplace where Muslims are not in control is the area of war.
Those are very vacant morals because they ignore who we are fighting and what they believe. To conquer an enemy you must understand who they are and what they believe. How many liberals really understand why the terrorists strap on a bomb and blow themselves up? They do it because they believe what Muhammad said during a battle to encourage his troops. That anyone who dies fighting the enemy will go straight to paradise and not be judged by Allah like everybody else. When he said that some of his soldiers went into the thickest fighting and acted in berserk attack mode only without any defensive tactics. One took off his armor and did that. They do it for religious reasons and not for revenge like many foolish libs think.
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Goppy1 month, 4 weeks ago
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BTW ... just to be clear ... this story is to let everyone know about Max Cleland's book: "Heart of a Patriot: How I found the Courage to Survive Vietnam, Walter Reed and Karl Rove,"
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The Modern Republican's code of conduct has led them to a place where they will DO anything ... SAY anything ... and DESTROY anything ... to fulfill a lust for power ... a greed do dominate ... that is unprecedented in modern America.
They are even willing to destroy American's service to our nation.
They ridiculed Max Cleland's service ... just as they ridiculed John Kerry's military service.
And who are those that ridicule our veterans?
Men such as Dick Cheney ... Karl Rove ... Saxby Chambliss ... men who CHOSE to turn their back on our nation.
So how do they explain their LACK of service?
Simple ... they DEMEAN Veterans who actually served.
Again ... this is yet another example of the stunning Moral Vacancy of the Modern Right ...
I would also say that anyone in Georgia who voted for Saxby Chambliss ... considering his utter shamelessness towards our veterans ... has a lot to answer for.
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Goppy1 month, 4 weeks ago
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Republicans did not used to be this way. They used to pride themselves on righteousness ... on honor ... on courage of conviction.
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Today ... Modern Republicanism promotes NOTHING that is honorable.
They promote NOTHING that is viable or anything that STRENGTHENS our nation.
Instead ... they promote their Ideology of "Welfare for the Wealthy" ... (which they call "Trickle Down Economics") ... which has been proven again and again to have no efficacy what so ever.
Given that their Ideology is so devoid of rational thought or reason ... what have they left?
All they have left is to invent a code of conduct that positions themselves as patriotically superior ... and morally superior.
But this is what is so laughable ... they express their patriotism by crucifying actual veterans .. actual PATRIOTS.
They express their moral superiority ... even as more and more of them find themselves in the spotlight on the stage of moral hypocrisy.
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Will13131 month, 4 weeks ago
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An example of a right wing PATRIOT..
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Ted Nugent. he gives RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS A BAD NAME.. he's and A$$HOLE..
An interviewer from the British newspaper The Independent questioned Nugent about a 1977 interview in High Times magazine in which Nugent allegedly detailed elaborate steps taken to avoid the Vietnam draft.[32]
"I got 30 days' notice of the physical," Nugent told them. "I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up." [32]
Nugent dismissed the veracity of these statements, saying "You've got to realize that these interviewers would arrive with glazed eyes and I would make stories up." He explained that he did not go to Vietnam because he had a one-year student deferment. When questioned, he admitted that he had "not wanted to get his ass blown off in Vietnam," but made note of a tour he made with the USO in 2004 to Fallujah and Afghanistan as support of his assertion that "I am not a coward." He also said that "Because I failed to serve in Vietnam, I feel an obligation now, to do everything I can to support those defending our freedom. Do I feel guilt and embarrassment? Yes -
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epiphannyy1 month, 4 weeks ago
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"You cannot pump troops in with a sanctuary for the bad guys right across the border; that's Vietnam! There will never be enough troops – Alexander the Great and the Russians gave up and went home – and victory does not lie in more boots on the ground,'' but in using our air and intelligence assets to go after bin Laden, al-Qaeda, and the Taliban in Pakistan, and protect Pakistan's nuclear project. "Otherwise, you have Vietnam again, and how did that work out for us? Of course, those guys'' – Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, he means – "never learned from Vietnam because they never went.''
I can't believe the citizens of our country take their cues for "patriotism" from those who never set foot into any war, while at the same time allow these individuals to nullify (or worse, demonize) the life and service of people like Max Cleland. To say of a man like this, who sacrificed to the extent he has, that he is "in league with terrorists" in order to win an election...to me, that is akin to treason. The man is a hero and should be recognized as such. But then, we have never treated our true heroes very well...have we?-
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Goppy1 month, 4 weeks ago
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So TRUE, epiphannyy.
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Look at those who orchestrate these attacks on veterans ...
• Karl Rove
• Saxby Chambliss
• Dick Cheney
• Donnie Rumsfeld
• Rush Limbaugh
• Glenn Beck
NONE of these crass individuals served our nation in uniform.
Even George W. Bush did his level best to avoid going to Vietnam - choosing instead to seek out a National Guard assignment ... which he did not even bother to complete.
WHERE IS THE ANGER AT THIS HYPOCRISY?
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fiftynine1 month, 4 weeks ago
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Thank all of you that recognize how Mr.Cleland has been done so wrong by these psudo patriots..When i see people like Max Cleland allowed to be slandered the way the republican party did,it makes me question why anyone would go to war for them ? If that is the way they treat someone like him..how do they really feel about me and the rest of the people that served this country ? Why would we want to protect scum like that ?
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They deserve nothing bought for them with the blood of real men.
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Goppy1 month, 4 weeks ago
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Yes ... it's really a national disgrace and I'm personally sorry that I have not done more to address this.
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When MoveOn.org mounted their ill-conceived ad regarding General Petraeus ... (sophomorically rhyming his name with 'betrays us'.) ... ... I was ashamed ... ... as was the right wing ... ... as they should have been.
You simply do not call a man or woman in uniform a traitor ... it's fundamentally abhorrent.
But I ask y'all ... why does the RIGHT WING ... invariably call LIBERAL VETERANS ... TRAITORS?
John Kerry ... whatever you think of his politics ... was a brave soldier who went into Vietnam when NONE of the Republicans attacking him did. He saved a fellow soldiers life while under fire.
Max Cleland lost three limbs in service to our nation's 'goals' ... in Vietnam.
And yet ... the Modern Republican has been so inured to crassness by their talking heads ... they don't think anything amiss when Patriots are said to be TRAITORS to our nation.
Saying Max Cleland is a friend of Osama bin Laden?
It's beyond despicable.
And the people of Georgia who supported Chambliss are no better having supported such a despicable act.
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cowboygrandpa1 month, 4 weeks ago
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"There, for the first time, he saw women soldiers coming back in the same shape he had. "All I could think was, Oh my god, we're sending women to get blown to hell. . . . Slowly I faced up to the thing that was making my recovery so hard. I had voted to give George Bush the power to start his war. . . . When my turn came to protect another generation of young people from fighting and dying and getting maimed in another unwinnable, unnecessary war, I had blown it.''
There it is in a nut shell !!!!
The difference between a combat vet and a chicken hawk with tail feathers in his eyes.
Mr. Cleland knew what hell was and he still made a mistake.
GW Bush knew what running away was, and tried to recoup his manhood by destroying others around the world.
Mr. Cleland I salute your honesty and your bravery !!!
You freakin' scum bag cowards who sought shelter from serving. I ask you to show a real love of America and become responsible citizens. Stop the insanity and support our returning vets with the care and respect we have earned.
Stop the lies about your patriotism, no buys it anyway, at least none that matter !!!! Hahahahahahahahaaaa !!!!!!!
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jimdoze1 month, 4 weeks ago
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"You cannot pump troops in with a sanctuary for the bad guys right across the border; that's Vietnam!"
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Sounds to me like Max is calling for taking the fight into Pakistan in a big way... perhaps even take-over... "and protect Pakistan's nuclear project."
No Max, you did not blow it. You were right with your vote in 2002. You, along with all who cast "aye", saved millions of lives with that vote. Of course, no one can prove that to 100% certainty. So the logic and reason it takes to arrive at that conclusion can and will be roundly and widely excoriated. But, rest assured it was not the disaster that the political culture of the left so desperately seeks to imbue in the national psyche. -
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lovemylibs1 month, 4 weeks ago
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Goppy writes above:
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"It's often pointed out that Hitler loved to employ an audacious technique - to lie in such a fantastic manner - that people would be less likely to confront the lie. The theory being ... "Who would make up such a fantastic and completely astounding thing, unless it had some truth to it?""
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lovemylibs1 month, 4 weeks ago
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german-shepard, gamahuche and fsev41 - Thanks to all three of you for the negs. It allows me the opportunity to explain my comment about holding oneself to standards.
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Here is a link to a recent Goppy submission. Read the last comment which explains an instance where Goppy used the audacious technique of lying in a fantastical manner just to try to prove a point and cast aspersions where they didn't belong:
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/09/06/goppy-ch...
Only a hypocrite would create such a lie, try to follow it through and then not even apologize for it. Only a malignantly narcissistic hypocrite would then submit a story railing against people that tell fantastic lies and questioning the integrity of another.
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DarkWizard1 month, 4 weeks ago
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Excellent article from a true patriot.
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I know that the word "patriot" has become a demonization of sorts as it points out those whom claim loyalty to America yet seem to do the opposite in her name. But, there are still some "true" patriots out there that deserve recognition.
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LumFan1 month, 4 weeks ago
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Wow. Someone in the administration needs to talk to Max Cleland about his insights on the Afghanistan/Vietnam comparisons. I think that his insight would be invaluable here.
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I'm glad to see that this true patriot is doing well. Now if only the ones that did him wrong would get their just deserts.
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