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Posted By pc25 1 month, 2 weeks ago in News
Dan Rather - The "Poster Boy" for the cover of the scheduled release of "Media Bias For Dummies"
An outside panel CBS brought into to get to the bottom of the so-called “Rathergate” mess says on Page #130 on an online report resource that George W. Bush had volunteered for fighter pilot service in the Viet Nam theater.
This little known information discovery was first brought forward on "The O'Reilly Factor" Tuesday night in an interview between Bill O'Reilly and Bernie Goldberg. What is interesting about this uncovered piece of information is that it shows to what lengths the producers and tellers of this story, that aired just 55 days before an election, went to hide an important fact about George W. Bush and his military service (beyond the phony documents).
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pc251 month, 2 weeks ago
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http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/08/26/of-cours...
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Of Course CBS Knew Bush Volunteered to Fly Combat Missions in Vietnam
Bernard Goldberg is getting a good bit of attention for something he said on O'Reilly tonight -- that documents show the CBS investigation in 2004 revealed that George Bush volunteered to fly combat missions in Vietnam. The following is from his website, Bernard Goldberg.com (via Newsbusters):
if Bush at any point had volunteered to fly combat missions in Vietnam - as the CBS investigation unequivocally states -- how then could he have been a slacker? The clear answer is that he could not - unless, of course, he volunteered to go to Vietnam knowing full well he wouldn't be taken. But if that was the case, Mapes would have had an obligation to report both that he volunteered and then produce a credible witness to say it was a sham. She did neither.
Mapes, a well-known liberal at CBS News, has always contended that she had no agenda, that she was not out to get President Bush. But if she knew that George Bush had volunteered for service in Vietnam - as the CBS outside panel clearly concludes -- she obviously had an obligation to share that with her viewers.-
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Beau78901 month, 2 weeks ago
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Let's take a look at the CBS report for the facts behind this article, shall we?
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Here's a link to the PDF of the full report:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/complete_report/...
When you go to p. 130, it says:
Bush did state in his 1968 TexANG application that he did not volunteer to go overseas. However, Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG, did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots.(72) For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush "did want to go to Vietnam but others went first." Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.
So, the facts are:
1) There is an official record of Bush not volunteering to go to Vietnam on his application to the Texas Air National Guard.
2) A flight instructor says Bush wanted to go--not exactly an act of volunteering.
3) "Several others" (who remain unnamed) told Mapes Bush had volunteered to go, but didn't have enough flight experience. There is no evidence given here of who the "several others" were and how they knew, and no record of Bush having volunteered.
4) Bush didn't have the flight experience to go even if he had volunteered. Probably because he was AWOL during so much of his flight training time.
If you want to draw the conclusion that CBS's reporting was sloppy, that's fine. But this in no way verifies that Bush volunteered to go to Vietnam. -
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GooberK1 month, 2 weeks ago
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if this were true, don't you think the bush admin would have plastered his "requests" and eagerness all over the airwaves? this is revisionist history at a time when nobody cares enough to waste time investigating these bogus claims.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 month, 2 weeks ago
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This is how historic revisionists work. They come back with flimsy arguments years after the case is popular. They figure since no one is challenging them their claims will forever become the new history.
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Hey, I heard from a guy who claims that his grandfather had sex with Abe Lincoln.
From now on it will be :"Abe Lincoln, our first gay President"
We can't take any of them seriously, but watch how luvredomatoes, Klarissa, Tanglang, Endo, Commodore, luvmylibs, Nixie and the scant others come flocking to this
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Still trying to extend your lovefest for that jackass, druggie?
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Here's a tip: he was a cocaine addict and not suitable for anything, but his daddy and
Margaret Meiers got him into the National Guard after he went AWOL for a month and a half.
Now can you erase his cocaine addiction and booze hound past too?
Chances are if he ecer did volunteer it was only because he was in the tail end of another drunken stupor.
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dunkirk1 month, 2 weeks ago
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GREAT find PC and you might want to include the following link for all the medals Bush got while in the service:
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http://www.cockeyed.com/citizen/medals/medals.html
Or the pictures depicting his actions during Operation Enduring Vacation:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blb...
And don't forget George was the recipient of the Pabst Bkue Ribbon with shot glass clusters for meritorious duty above and beyond the last call at the bar.-
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tanglang1 month, 2 weeks ago
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sykiks1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Even if he did volunteer it was completely safe to do so as he trained in an obsolete jet in the Texas ANG and would have required complete retraining in a jet currently in use in Vietnam. I'm sure that was considered before he joined the guard.
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cowboygrandpa1 month, 2 weeks ago
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pc25:
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You are scurilous and a sad person to dishonor those who actually volunteered for duty and gave their lives for our country.
The only thing Bush volunteered for was bar stool duty and going AWOL !!!!
But hey, you are a credit to the stupidity of the right wing attack liars. Just keep hoping someone will buy the lies !!!!
Put it where it belongs. In your wwildest fantasies. Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa !!!!
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pc251 month, 2 weeks ago
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http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/content/2009/08/27/...
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Gillette tells us that in Truth and Honor Mapes writes about an interview she did with Maurice Udell, Bush’s flight trainer in the late 1960s. This is the exchange between Mapes and Udell (starting with Mapes’ question) that Gillette quotes from the book:
“Had Bush joined the Guard to avoid Vietnam? ‘That’s ********, that he avoided the war,’ Udell told me in 1999. ‘They try to put George down…He performed very well. I’m not saying that because he’s running.’
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BB641 month, 2 weeks ago
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Perhaps we should forward this to ABC, NBC and apparently CBS. They might want to run 5 years worth of retractions and CBS may want to be prepared for a liable suit. Perhaps Rather and Mapes might also. I think there's grounds for a huge law suit for slander. Well, it's one way for the GOP to take over a network, sue them for the lies they broad cast and published. What's slandering the President worth?
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Will13131 month, 2 weeks ago
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What's slandering the President worth?
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well set a precident.. so Barack knows what he can get from Fox News.. Glenn Beck. Sean Hannity.. . Rush Limbaugh. the list is endless
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LightofReason1 month, 2 weeks ago
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First, Bush was training on the Delta Dagger, a long range intercepter, which was already being phased out. The Daggers saw no duty in Nam as they were not designed to be a fighter-bomber and thus unsuitable for service there unlike the Thunderchiefs flown out of Thailand. Thus if he even made the offer he was joking or drunk or both.
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Bush was NEVER legally elected so never was President. The five Supreme Injustices acted in total lack of subject matter jurisdiction in granting the stay in violation of 28 U.S.C. 2283 to block a recount that would have shown what NORC later found that Gore won FL by 40K LEGAL votes.
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not2needy1 month, 2 weeks ago
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It's absolutely an attempt to rewrite history, but after you bilked the country out of billions, that supposedly went missing, you can pretty much do as you damned well please. I mean, just look at W, he, Cheney, Rove, Rummy, and the whole Hee Haw gang have still not been brought to justice..
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This country will never have closure on Reagan or W. Cons didn't learn from the Reagan admin and they repeated the same disaster with W, and they just keep trying to justify it, regardless of what it takes.. Funny what stolen billions can buy you! -
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pc251 month, 2 weeks ago
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http://www.randomjottings.net/archives/001023.html
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One of the primary ANG units to receive the F-102 was the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS) at Ellington Air National Guard Station, which operated the aircraft from 1965 through 1974. These planes were given responsibility for patrolling the Gulf Coast and intercepting Soviet Tu-95 bombers that regularly flew off the US shore while carrying a payload of nuclear weapons. The 111th was and still is part of the 147th Fighter Wing in Houston, Texas. It was here that George W. Bush was stationed following his enlistment in May 1968.
In actuality, pilots from the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, as it was called at the time, were actually conducting combat missions in Vietnam at the very time Bush enlisted. In fact, F-102 squadrons had been stationed in South Vietnam since March 1962. It was during this time that the Kennedy administration began building up a large US military presence in the nation as a deterrent against North Vietnamese invasion.
F-102 squadrons continued to be stationed in South Vietnam and Thailand throughout most of the Vietnam War. The planes were typically used for fighter defense patrols and as escorts for B-52 bomber raids. While the F-102 had few opportunities to engage in its primary role of fighter combat, the aircraft was used in the close air support role starting in 1965. Armed with
rocket pods, Delta Daggers would make attacks on Viet Cong encampments in an attempt to harass enemy soldiers. Some missions were even conducted using the aircraft's heat-seeking air-to-air missiles to lock onto enemy campfires at night. Though these missions were never considered to be serious attacks on enemy activity, F-102 pilots did often report secondary explosions coming from their targets. -
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dunkirk1 month, 2 weeks ago
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ROFLMAO, this one takes the cake. PC you should try to spin something that is at least credible vs fantasy. Especially when looking at Bush's service records there is no mention of his request for active duty. You do realize that would be recorded right?? No? I didnt think so.
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http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp-
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pc251 month, 2 weeks ago
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credible go to page 140 of the PDF file.....CBS states in no uncertain terms that Mapes knew before the airing of the Bush hit that he volunteered for Vietnam........from the CBS PDF file
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the links are above
"Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots. For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush 'did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.' Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify."
apparently they fired Rather and Mapes for no cause which iss why Rathers sut was dismissed last week wasn't it, and if Mapes were unjustly fired where is her lawsuit, she would own CBS now
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Does Bush have proof he volunteered?
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(after he was drafted and AWOL for 74 days?)
Or do you deny his cocaine and alcohol addictions also?
It's funny after 9 years of campaigning and being the President that he never told us that.
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Will13131 month, 2 weeks ago
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well whether or not Bush volunteered to go is really not relevant. He did request and received training in and F-102A. An airplane scheduled to be phased out of Vietnam.. BEFORE he would have had the required training to go there...
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Daddy used his pull to put him in an airplane that would not be used in Vietnam by the time his son could be prepared to go.. -
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BB641 month, 2 weeks ago
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Well then what do you call what our current leader did?
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Bowing to a Saudi Royal?
Insulting our allies?
Pulling weapon systems without explaining why?
Associating with know terrorists and domestic terrorists?
Supporting dictators?
Oh and what military did Barrack belong to? Navy? Army? Cub Scouts? Acorn?
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FactCheckerToo1 month, 2 weeks ago
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There are enough quotes from Bush himself in this article to make it very clear to anyone what his motives were during Vietnam. Keep trying to rewrite history and spruce up the tarnished career of GWB but I will be there to call you on the lies and half truths.
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wwblanchard1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Now here is an idea; Why not call Bush for a sit down over a beer and ask him if he did or did not request to go to Vietnam?
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I am sure he'll tell you just what he did during thoes years of the Vietnam War!
There was only one National Guard Unit that was ever called to serve in Vietnam. The USAF Unit was from Denver, CO. 1967 through 1968 and they deployed with all their personnel including members of the Civil Engineering trades, cooks, etc.Their USAF Unit flew only F-100's out of Phan Rang Air Force Base, Vietnam.
This Denver Unit did and outstanding job of in support of the US Army flying air strikes several hours each day. Their other assigned personnel also did an outstanding job in helping support the Phan Rang Air Force Base.
I was at Phan Rang, AFB, Vietnam, Nov 67-Nov 68, and knew many of the enlisted men who came from Denver to help support our flying missions and Base functions.
I Salute them for all they did for us regular USAF Troops!
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MILITA1 month, 2 weeks ago
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George W. Bush is the best president in
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modern history because he changed the
world with the ouster of Saddam, and I
think Allen Drury, author of Advise and
Consent, a terrific political thriller,
would agree with me. Come on Dan,
suck up your sour grapes and get out there and do some real journalism.
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icono11 month, 2 weeks ago
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Nice to see that the followers of Saul Alinsky are out and in fine form tonight. Found a "chew toy" in Bush2 and others have you.
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For those interested in Bush2's military record why not go to the source and ask about it; that would be the military itself and if that fails why not ask the Evil One, GW, himself.
I'm sure he, GWB, would not mind answering your questions about his military record if you would talk to him personally. That would give y'all a chance to tell GW what a slacker, war criminal, and slobbering redneck drug addict you think he is to his face. Wouldn't that be more 'political fun' than chewing on 'suppositions' that no one can really verify without the actual and unaltered mil records in front of them to peruse.
The great Dan Rather, and I do say great with all due respect, took his shot, why don't some of you?
By the way, it is nice to know that Bush2 is still the number one thing on people's minds which means that The 0 Man and his policies, 0Bama's commitment to fundamentally change America to a true socialist state, are still coming in at a distant second to what is really important to America; Bush2's supposed request to fly combat missions in Viet-Nam.
However now that The 0 Man has his own war, Afghanistan, I wonder if he will volunteer for 'Force Recon Missions' along the Af/Pak border; I'm sure The 0 Man would just relish the chance to get a little up close and personal with some of the Taliban and if he captured one, he could read the piker his Miranda Rights and tell him about 'transparency and change you can believe in'. Yet, before The 0 Man could do that, he would have to actually be a member of the US Armed Services, which he is not and never has been.-
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fiftynine1 month, 2 weeks ago
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"By the way, it is nice to know that Bush2 is still the number one thing on people's minds".....Far from it..Unfortunately his legacy will be present for many,many years to come as the president that tried to ruin America and almost did..
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adityan21 month, 2 weeks ago
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I have always thought that the Rathergate papers were fabricated by conservatives in order to 1)garner sympathy for George W. Bush, 2)embarass the so-called liberal media and 3)hopefully put pressure on CBS to fire people they considered their political enemies. If I am correct, the ploy worked beautifully. What evidence do I have for the conservative-plant theory? 1)It's a typical dirty trick in the grand tradition of Karl Rowe. 2)The conservatives who "discovered" the minute flaws in the documents did so with lightening speed--within minutes of their being made public. Somebody was clearly ready to pounce. If those of us on the left had the resources of the conseratives, the truth would eventually win out.
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