Mahmoud Abbas calls elections despite Hamas »
Posted By israeligirl1 2 months ago in NewsMahmoud Abbas, the moderate Palestinian leader, has defied his Islamist rivals Hamas by calling a general election that threatens to perpetuate a damaging divide between the West Bank and Gaza. The announcement was immediately condemned by Hamas, whose fighters violently wrested control of Gaza from Mr Abbas's Fatah party in June, 2007.
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engineer2 months ago
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avoth1 month, 4 weeks ago
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"hAMAS NEES TO BE OUSTED"
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Right. You'd prefer Abbas, the Holocaust denier and mastermind of the Olympics massacre?
Hamas is the duly elected leader of the Palestinians in Gaza. They embrace its ideology. And if there are elections in Judea and Sammaria, Hamas will win there as well. Better get used to it. -
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Daylight1 month, 4 weeks ago
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If at all the Zionists should be ousted from the land of the prophets not Hamas, they has all the right to be there and the Zionists should be relocated to where they came from. They have noting to do with the land of the Muslims, Jews and Christians.
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Edmar141 month, 4 weeks ago
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Ever been to Israel? It's far from a cesspool. They have done more with the land in the last 60 years than the Muslims did with it in the last 1400 years. When you stand at the Jordan river and look into Jordan and then look into Israel, see which is the cesspool. It is very obvious.
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canadianrancher572 months ago
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Hamas has never been a party that wishes to represent the Palestinian people but a party that represents an ideology that seems to not have the concerns of the people at its center. They encourage violence and are not willing to negotiate with anyone, not even fellow Palestinians.
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I'm no expert on anything in the Mid East, but I do know that if nations do not try and negotiate towards peace then peace will never come, and if wee look at the region we do see where Israel and some of its neighbors have decide to purse more peaceful avenues to their problems. I know there are larger issues in the conflict between Israel and Palestine and the electing of Hamas did nothing to further the efforts of either side, one thing that Palestinians will have to realize is peace and progress take time and hostilities only takes lives.-
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avoth1 month, 4 weeks ago
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"Hamas has never been a party that wishes to represent the Palestinian people"
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This sounds like wishful thinking. Can you back it up with anything concrete?
"but a party that represents an ideology that seems to not have the concerns of the people at its center."
Hamas does have an ideology, and has been instrumental in providing services to the people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
"Through its funding and management of schools, health-care clinics, mosques, youth groups, athletic clubs and day-care centers, Hamas by the mid-1990s had attained a "well-entrenched" presence in the West Bank and Gaza. An estimated 80% to 90% of Hamas revenues fund health, social welfare, religious, cultural, and educational services." -
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Daylight1 month, 4 weeks ago
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Hamas offered 10 years of ceasefire with Israel; the condition is that Israel back go back to 1967 borders and Israel refused it and started the war. Without Hmas there won't be peace but without the Zionists there will be peace. Why should Hamas negotiate with Abbas, he is a puppet of the Israelis and the Americans. He will be rejected by the Palestinians sooner or later.
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canadianrancher572 months ago
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I'm not sure if this will work but it is the heading in the address bar.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/ind...
I came back to this site and was able to load it from this link, hope it works for you.
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djn3nunez31 month, 4 weeks ago
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Is a holocaust denier someone who doesn't beleive that millions of Jews were slaughter by the Nazis? Or is a holocaust denier someone who doesn't think Israels deserved a soverign state or special status because of the slaughter in europe?
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avoth1 month, 4 weeks ago
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Hamas is the true leader of the Palestinian people. They voted them in and they voted Fatah out. Elections do have results and they should be respected. Like it or not.
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That being said, Hamas is a terrorist organization. The Palestinians VOTED FOR a terrorist organization. Again, like it or not.-
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canadianrancher571 month, 4 weeks ago
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This is just my opinion, but when conditions do not change in a country where there are so many problems sometimes people make decisions which are not always in their best interests, basically it is a protest vote. I have no facts to back up this feeling but the people who voted for Hamas may have done so because they were not seeing results. Just look at your own country, what percent of the vote was a protest vote and what will be the results of that vote. Like it or not.
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As for the part of Holocaust denier, one again has to decide which is the worse of two evils, one who denies something or one who wishes to finish what others started. If it was me I would prefer to deal with one who was maybe a moderate than with one who wished to see me dead, denying facts won't change them.
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lifestdnt1 month, 4 weeks ago
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All I can add is that if someone threw you out of your house and country saying that they were there 2,000 years ago and that god gave them the right to come back there after 2,000 years and throw you out, and then threw you into a tent away from your home, and kept you there while they lived in your house and town, and harvested your fields, and then treated you like a rabid dog for 60 years while you lived and raised your family in that tent, no one should be surprised if you started to finally act like one.
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Daylight1 month, 4 weeks ago
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All I can add is that if someone threw you out of your house and country saying that they were there 2,000 years ago and that god gave them the right to come back there after 2,000 years and throw you out, and then threw you into a tent away from your home, and kept you there while they lived in your house and town, and harvested your fields, and then treated you like a rabid dog for 60 years while you lived and raised your family in that tent, no one should be surprised if you started to finally act like one.
Well said, in fact if those people ever lived here in Palestine and if they have the blood relations and if they are from the same linage, I think as a Muslim I would consider living and sharing with them provided that they ask permission to live with us and follow the process and law concerning their citizenship but here Israel is a regime supported by the international criminals and they claim some phony theories that they have the right to a Jewish homeland and they are the chosen people of God who created everyone of us and God doesn't have favorite people or creatures because he is holy, just,patient, omnipotent and omniscient and he accepts only purest things, and those who follow his commandments. And I don't understand how the Zionists of Europe can have any right in the land of the Palestinians? Israel is powerful today not because they are intelligent or smart but the fact is that they are supported and financed by the Western world to control the Middle East which is replete with oil and gas. The Western world must understand that people in the Middle East are deeply religious and trying anything or any other corrupted ways of life to impose on them will result in wars and bloodshed and that is what happening there right now. It has nothing to do with terrorism or any other ism. Islam is peace and will always be peaceful as long as the criminals keep away from invading and occupying.-
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Edmar141 month, 4 weeks ago
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I will repeat myself as it seems that you have no sense of history. Why don't you get a history lesson. If you are trying to establish some sort of historical right to the land by population growth or ownership, it won't work. The land never had an autonomous government for 2000 years and as such belonged to whoever conquered it, but never to the indigenous population that lived there. For that to have occurred, there had to be a country with its own established and recognized government. One never existed and hence, there was never a nation called Palestine. In modern times however, according to the Ottoman and British censuses which are still available in the UN public records, the population of Palestine before and just after the collapse of the Ottoman empire was under 500,000. That included Muslims, Jews, Christians, Druze and several other sects. The majority of the population growth was between 1917 and 1939 and included both Jewish and Arab immigrants to the area called Palestine. Most of those living on the land held no deeds and were not generational residents at the time of the 1948 war. MOST (not all, but most) of the refugees that left were of immigrant origin to begin with. The only sovereignty to the land west of the Jordan river (since Jordan occupied all of the land east of the Jordan River) was the United Nations who inherited it from the defunct League of Nations in 1946. Any claim that the land was stolen by Israel has to extend to a claim that the land was stolen by Jordan as well since both were established by the sovereign governments of the time. Jordan by the British as proxy for the League of Nations in 1922 and Israel by the United Nations directly in 1947. The myth that Israel exists on stolen Arab land is just that, a myth. It is as legitimate as is Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iraq etc., all of which were established by the British and French for the League of Nations by proxy as an aftermath of the Ottoman demise. Israel is in fact, the only nation in the region which was established by a vote of the world's nations in the UN. It in fact has more legitimacy than any of the surrounding nations.
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WolftheBouncer1 month, 4 weeks ago
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The problem with the "Palestinians" is they believe they are a country. They were never a country. They were a group living under the control of the Turks, the British, the Egyptians and the Hasemites for years. Perhaps you need to quit trying to rewrite history and talk about the war criminal the Grand Mufti who wanted to aid Hitler in the wholesale slaughter of Jews - making the Shoah complete if he had had his way. Don't talk to us about how you have to live - talk to your Arab brothers in the surrounding countries and ask them why they are afraid to make you citizens of their countries. There are Arab-Israelis. This must be hard for you to take. Both Fatah and Hamas are terrorist organizations wanting legitimacy. Good luck. You can't even agree with each other without killing one another. And don't talk about the Green Line. That's the Arabs fault as well. When you lose land in a war of agression that you start - too bad. We shouldn't even be talking about transfer, unless we are talking about transfer of the non-Israeli Arabs to Arab countries. Become Jordanians and let the Hashemites worry about you. Neither Fatah nor Hamas are legitimate.
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