Conservative Loses in NY-23 Stunner, Despite Palin and Pawlenty Support -- Politics Daily »
Posted By TimALoftis 3 weeks ago in Political News
The Republicans got the press, but the Democrat got the votes in the special election in New York's 23rd Congressional District.
On an otherwise dismal night for his party, Democrat Bill Owens captured 49 percent of the vote. Conservative Doug Hoffman won 45 percent of the vote, while Republican Dede Scozzafava picked up a crucial five percent, even after dropping out of the race.
Owens, an Air Force retiree and lawyer, will become the first Democrat in more than 100 years to hold the seat, leaving the New York congressional delegation with just two Republicans in its ranks.
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epiphannyy3 weeks ago
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You know, a lot is being made of the Republican wins in Va and NJ as being "blows" to Obama, but honestly I think this is the more important race to gauge the pulse of the American electorate.
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The reason I say this is because Va ALWAYS votes opposite the White House for their top leaders. If a Democrat is in the White House, they vote in a Republican governor, etc, and the same is true in reverse - a Republican president means a Democrat governor, etc.
And Corzine was a disaster in NJ. He was going to lose regardless of his campaign. Frankly, I think Obama did have a positive impact because he didn't lose by such a great margin as expected by many.
However, this tiny race in NY, who has never gone blue before, voting for the Democrat over the Palin backed Republican is the one that sends a message. Not that Republicans are out, but that the PALIN-esque Republicans are. A county that never before voted Democrat did so this time because the REASONABLE Republican was "run out of town" in favor of a radical teabagger type Republican. And as much as they want everyone to believe it, or as much as they want to believe it themselves, they aren't representative of the majority of conservative voters in America.
THIS is the election that sent the message....not to Obama, but to those who have been hijacking the Republican party, that the majority of voters do not support their hateful agenda.
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Hhussk3 weeks ago
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You know, a lot is being made of the Republican wins in Va and NJ as being "blows" to Obama, but honestly I think this is the more important race to gauge the pulse of the American electorate.
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Of course you do.
But when you take into account that Scozzafava(who dropped out) still received 6% of the votes, and notice that Hoffman only lost by 4% (5000 votes), perhaps you'll see that this isn't so bad for the GOP after all.
What did the GOP learn? Why...to have a primary! Instead of "annointing" a candidate, give the people in the Republican Party a chance to determine, ahead of time, who they want to represent them.
By the way, the reason New Jersey and Virginia are so significant is because of the incredible support they gave President Obama during the Presidential election. And more specifically, New Jersey is significant because President Obama made about 3 appearanced this last weekend for Corzine.
So, the White House threw their cards in on the Corzine-Christi race. And lost. Pretty significant, considering NJ carried Obama by a large margin last year. -
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Endoscopy3 weeks ago
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UnusualSuspect3 weeks ago
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I'd like to see more conservatives try pushing moderate Republicans out of the way.
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If they do that enough times, the Democrats won't have a problem at all in retaining/gaining more seats in the House and Senate come Nov 2010.
It will be a present, given to the Democrats on a silver platter by the conservatives...LOL... -
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UnusualSuspect3 weeks ago
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Hmmm...Carly Fiorina (former CEO of HP) has just announced she's going to run for Senator in California. Winner of the GOP nomination gets to run against Barbara Boxer.
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I wonder which enthusiastic conservative is going to enter that race, end up losing, and handing the victory over to Boxer?
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TimALoftis3 weeks ago
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This is indeed a big defeat for the right wing element of the Republican Party. Many pundits felt that after Scozzafava - the moderate Republican in the race withdrew, the Conservative candidate backed by the likes of Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Rush Limbaugh and the political unit at Fox News would go on for a easy win...it did not happen.
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The Civil War going on within the Republican Party cost the Party this congressional seat. Bill Owens becomes the first Democrat to hold it in over 100 years. Amazing.-
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Beau78903 weeks ago
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This race was the true referendum about the extremist faux-populists trying to hijack the Republican party--they removed the mainstream (for lack of a better word) Republican candidate and ran one of their own here. Apparently, the Palin / Bachmann / Limbaugh / Beck demagogues make the most noise, but that's no indication the majority of the population supports them.
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Endoscopy3 weeks ago
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ROTFLMAO
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You fell for Pelosies absolute lie. The last Democrat that held that seat was in 1989 to 1993. Michael R. McNulty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_23rd_con...
Read it ans think about why did Pelosie tell that whopper. She sucked the media and a lot of libs in to that BIG LIE. Typical of libs to fall for it.
I wonder what factcheck .org will say about this one????
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FairNBalanced3 weeks ago
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It was a defeat, but it could have very easily gone to the conservatives. It was a very close race.
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Even as he conceded defeat Tuesday, Hoffman said on his Web site, "I believe we have sent a powerful message and laid the groundwork for future conservative campaigns."
Either way, the message has been sent from the base of the GOP. Lets nominate conservatives, and not right leaning democrats.
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Hhussk3 weeks ago
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Either way, the message has been sent from the base of the GOP. Lets nominate conservatives, and not right leaning democrats.
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I agree with you and believe that this is the "lesson" Republicans can learn. I'll add one more, though:
Have a primary next time.
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christopher13 weeks ago
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'Either way, the message has been sent from the base of the GOP. Lets nominate conservatives, and not right leaning democrats. '
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In other words, the so called big tent of the GOP no longer welcomes 'Moderates'
sad especially considering that most of America is pretty much in the middle when it comes to their politics. They resent both the far left and the far right. -
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chevydog3 weeks ago
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Hard to know what to make of all of this. NJ especially was a shocker. What I think I saw:
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Prez O campaigned heavily in NJ.
Rush, Ms. Palin, and the self-styled "spokesmen" for the Repubs were loudly in NY-23.
Prez O's loudly supported candidate lost.
The candidate for the loud self-styled Repub spokesmen lost in NY-23.
It would appear that none of these guys have near the influence they're given credit (by themselves alone?) for. Yeah, each of these races had other factors. But we are allowed to have opinions, I guess.
I really wasn't sorry that the Rush/Palin candidate lost in NY-23. Not out of any particular regard for Ms. Scozzafava or the Dem candidate -- don't really know the records of these guys; and I don't live there--never have. But there are those of us out here who choose to approach things with rationality and reasoned thought. And the noise eminating from Rush and Sarah, both of whom tend to eschew this kind of stuff, is pretty distracting. -
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lum-chate3 weeks ago
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I love the way the most radical of liberals are trying to spin this as some kind of huge defeat for republicans. It reminds me of the way the radicals among us tried to spin Obama's defeat in the Texas primary against Mrs. Clinton. Clinton won the Texas primary by over 100,000 votes yet because of some weird districting advance by Sheila Jackson Brown and her ilk combined with superdelegates somehow BO received a few more delegates to the convention.
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This was about as big a defeat for the republicans as my $10 losing bet on the NY Giants football team last week was to me.
Miniscule compared to the crushing defeats Obama had to feel at the hands of Virginia & Jersey voters. The folks around the country are beginning to see what BO & his Chicago cronies are all about and they simply don't like it!-
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aceofspades13 weeks ago
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Before the reactionaries jump on me as being a left wing dupe - I've been a life-long registered Republican & was even an officer in our local Republican club - But Republicans in NY & NJ tend to be more moderate & progressive than those in the hinterlands of double wide trailer dwellers. The vote in NJ was not so much a Rep. vs. Dem thing as it was a contest between a proven corrupt incompetant and a corrupt yet unproven politician. 4 yrs from now will prove wether NJ was better off being screwed by Corzine or Christie
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lum-chate3 weeks ago
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Its pretty simple, Corzine won 2 elections in Jersey 1 for the Senate & one for Governor without BO's support. Now with BO's support (Obama spent almost the entire weekend in Jersey) he loses.
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The fact of the matter is Corzine is in the big spending, far liberal wing of the Democrat party the wing led by Pelosi & Obama,
so this was a defeat for Obama & Pelosi & all those who adhere to their programs.
In Va. Deeds was a blue dog democrat who lost to a conservative leaning Republican. The moral of this story is blue dogs who tie their wagons to BO are doomed.
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philbrick3 weeks ago
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I believe scozzafava's take on the inner-workings of the new republican did the trick winning over moderate voters to the Democratic side.
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"Dede Scozzafava says 'hate, lies' wore her down"
“The amount of hate and lies and the deceitfulness,” she said. “I don’t believe that should be the characteristics that define the Republican Party. I think people should be allowed to have discussions and reasonable disagreements. But this was a full frontal assault on me personally and politically, for weeks.”
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wtagg3 weeks ago
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Does beating him necessarily mean it will be better? I think it is more important to consider a candidate that will provide some solid administration skills and common sense before throwing anything on the wall to see if something sticks.
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We need solutions, not a pretty face.
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Wolfie20073 weeks ago
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The democrats lost in both Virginia and New Jersey and Obama campaigned for both of the democrat losers. He went all out in New Jersey he even had his name on campaign signs. In New York he sent Vice President Biden to campaign for the democrat candidate. So by the reasoning in this article it would mean that Biden is more effective campaigning for candidates than Obama. lmao
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Oh yeah, Rush, Palin, etc, also endorsed the candidates in Virgina and New Jersey. Duh! -
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TimALoftis3 weeks ago
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I was very surprised at the attention the cable news channels were giving these elections last night. Almost 'Wall to Wall' coverage on two Governor races and a house seat in N.Y. This is unprecedented when you think about it. A little to much...Glad I turned it off to watch a NATURE re-run on PBS.
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oneironaut4203 weeks ago
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I totally agree. When I vote on seats in my state, it has nothing to do with the President, but more on the candidate's track records, stands on certain issues, and so on. However, they needed this "victory" in the same way a losing tribe on "Survivor" needs a win once in a while...morale was pretty low on their side. When the excitement fades and they realize that Obama is still President, life will go on as usual. 8)
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lamedicguy2 weeks, 6 days ago
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Palin helped to attract attention to this race. Doug Hoffman went from a distant third to losing by a thin margin. I really don't think Hoffman was that exciting (He's an accountant for God's sake) but he would have been better then the Owens or Dede Scozzafava.
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coppolarco22 weeks, 6 days ago
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A stunning loss? Really?...Forget the back and forth spins to justify any position, but you can bet...(You Betcha) the Dems are very concerned VERY. The American people are asking all the right questions and the powers that be do not like them...The arrogance and self righteous continues though with their continuing to ram through this national (government) health bill...Keep in mind as we speak 'They' are massising also to ram through a Cap & Trade Bill which is so political it is outrageous in scope...We Have Had Enough!
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