Final Vote Results for Roll Call 887 »
Posted By Tasine 2 weeks, 2 days ago in Political NewsSee who voted for, who voted against the health care bill.
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Striker1012 weeks, 2 days ago
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NoWayMan2 weeks, 2 days ago
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we're all wrong and your little fringe group is right. is that what you think is happening here?
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and who cares if america consistantly polls in favor of a public option.
who cares if the AMA, the AARP and others have endorsed the plan.
right?
you're welcome to leave any time you want.
you know where the door is.
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Tasine2 weeks, 2 days ago
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It was actually a surprise to see that every member voted either aye or nay. It is amazing that Pelosi pushed and shoved this monstrosity through, and if she doesn't have to politically pay for such rough-shod behavior toward the opposition and the American public, it is a practice that will never stop.
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I strongly suggest all conservatives sign up in the Democrat Party and let's straighten out things in the next couple of elections.-
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GWHayduke2 weeks, 2 days ago
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~"I strongly suggest all conservatives sign up in the Democrat Party and let's straighten out things in the next couple of elections."~
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Political parties do not necessarily represent the will of the people.
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k9kssr2 weeks, 2 days ago
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Oh Tasine, you sound just like my grandpa! That's what he always did, registered as a democrat so he could vote in their primary and then switched to the republican at election....lol. It's a practice my family continues to this day.
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When grandpa was 75, he and the city judge formed a new "poliitcal party". Judge E.G. was also the publisher of the local newspaper and wrote several articles about suspected embezzlement by town officials. One day while grandpa was sitting in the barber shop, a young police officer, stepped into the door, pointed at my grandpa and said, "There's a no-good son-of-a- bitch" and took off running down the street with my grandpa right after him. Grandpa finally cornered the cop in the grocery store and the cop took a swing at him at which point my grandpa, who was big and strong as an ox even at 75, gave the cop the whipping of a lifetime.
To make a long story short, charges were filed and a trial held that same day. Judge E.G recused himself as judge, so he could represent grandpa as his lawyer. Grandpa got a fine but most of the town showed up and took up a collection to pay it. Grandpa never spent a moment in jail......lol. After that, the town divided into "no-gooders", the ones who supported Judge E.G. and grandpa against the corrupt mayor, and the "do-gooders", those who supported the embezzling mayor and his crew. Finally, the "do-gooder" mayor got scared and resigned after Judge E.G threatened to expose him to state and federal authorities for misusing funds on his own house. Fond memories and good times!! -
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mesodude2 weeks, 2 days ago
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"I strongly suggest all conservatives sign up in the Democrat Party and let's straighten out things in the next couple of elections."
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--You people threatened to do that all year preceding last Nov's election. Remember "Operation Chaos"? How did that turn out? -
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barackobumble2 weeks, 2 days ago
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Tasine:
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I strongly suggest all conservatives sign up in the Democrat Party and let's straighten out things in the next couple of elections.
LOL! You'd really like that...wouldn't ya'? Keep dreaming cat turd, someone will eventually come along and cover you up. And, besides, why would you want someone of whom you've been castigating joining your party? -
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memestryker2 weeks, 2 days ago
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Don't worry--there's a government agency for that! They'll grant a reasonable accommodation for your disability if a doctor is willing to go out on a limb and say you actually have debilitating arthritis--and, if the test for it is approved by the 3rd party managed care organization. It will be interesting to see how care management plays out in any "public option" that may squeak through the Senate version.
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Tangent0012 weeks, 2 days ago
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"I have arth. how am i going to learn the goose step?"
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What do you mean? People had been doing it all during the previous administration. How long did it take for the Patriot Act to be signed into law? How many Congresspeople actually read it? -
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Natureboy2 weeks, 2 days ago
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"The only ones' that got " goosed " were the corporate for-profit health care industry."
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How do you figure? All Americans will be compelled to get insurance, and there is no public option, so that is going to force 30 million more Americans to give their money to for-profit insurers.
You think that's really "goosing" the corporate for-profit health insurers? Hell, it is handing them a captive market, nothing less. I am sure they will be ecstatic if this legislation passes.
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bubba22 weeks, 2 days ago
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This a great post, Tasine.
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Anyone on Propeller can see who voted against the bill - the people that care more about their own coffers and those of the insurance companies than they care about the VERY people they are SUPPOSED to be representing.
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memestryker2 weeks, 2 days ago
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There are plenty of problems with the legislation as it stood last time I skimmed it. It forced people who wanted and were willing to pay for the coverage they were receiving into a public option that appeared to offer less. Some would say this will hurt middle class taxpayers who are already declaring bankruptcy due to medical bills. It did not go far enough to protect them, and focused more on some redistribution of services and having any "insurance" rather than actually providing healthcare. But if the middle class doesn't have enough money to pay more taxes and even more of their own healthcare, then this is going to eventually be a problem.
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I think a lot of people think we need to fix healthcare, and I'm the first to admit it's badly broken. But this bill just isn't considered by some to be the best. I think the all-or-none "you're with us or against us" thinking on this bill is faulty. But of course, politicians are about spin and votes.
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Tasine2 weeks, 2 days ago
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Thanks, Bubba. I submitted it expressly so that people CAN READ FOR THEMSELVES how various members of the House voted. It isn't from WND, so I figured the socialists would be happy about that. Thank God my representative voted against the monstrosity. So, I'm represented - by a Democrat House member.
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I suspect this "bill" may have cooked the Democrat Party, though. If it didn't, then angst will continue unabated..
thanks, Bubba
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engineer2 weeks, 2 days ago
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To you Neocons ,who are so short sighted, This bill will save at least $4.9 ttrillion dollars in premiums over the next 10 years, not to mention the extra taxes used to treat the uninsured.
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I guess there is no talking to you GOPs. You'll always have your heads in the sand-
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memestryker2 weeks, 2 days ago
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We have no idea what the actual dollar difference will be. I wanted to see less focus on forcing people into the public option.
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One thing no one wants to mention is that the current healthcare system is really a welfare program. Instead of a government welfare program, it's just been privatized as a legacy of good old A-76 (what is inherently "governmental?"). All those people writing hundreds of letters to members--that are confusing or arrive when they are sick in the hospital and don't even know they've arrived, or are too sick to read them--are receiving paychecks and are buying goods and services. So some of this is trying to keep that welfare system intact while stopping the epidemic of the poor hitting the emergency room for basic medical care leading to death of people who really do need emergency care.
So now we have reverse A-76, where the government is purposefully taking on work that is clearly not inherently governmental, whether it's owning banks, car companies, acting as an insurance company, or whatever.
I'm neither pro-capitalism nor pro-socialism. Markets used to be a good way to operate, but the U.S. is at a disadvantage because fair labor laws don't exist in other countries, and other countries are allowed to subsidize their manufacturing and farming while they seek to bar the U.S. from doing so. So the U.S pays more to the U.N., is under a heavier burden to make business and farming operate without any assistance, etc.
There are no easy answers to any of this, but I do know that on an airline they tell the parent to don their own oxygen mask before helping their kids, because they need the oxygen to do so. I think that can be extrapolated to many other areas. I think the U.S. needs to transfer its love of liberty, its individualism, and other things that spark innovation and resourcefulness. Straight line welfare is destructive, and you can see this in the inner cities and in rural mountain areas. It just breeds generations of welfare dependency. I think that, if we address this as one problem, it would also give us ideas of better ways to provide healthcare to people.
Excess healthcare coverage for the middle class who have insurance would be a start, although of course it would eventually become corrupt as all human systems do. That's one thing we all need to learn. No system will continue forever--all systems become corrupt through obsolesence or abuse of unforeseen loopholes or just flat out abuse, such as we see with existing socialized systems like Medicare. -
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StevieGee2 weeks, 2 days ago
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Tasine2 weeks, 2 days ago
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I don't know what Limbaugh will be saying about Cao, but I can tell you what I think about him. He follows in Jefferson's shoes (you remember, the democrat who hides dirty money in his freezer), and he is probably trying to fill those shoes. Before the vote I understand Obama promised him quite a bit of funding (my money) .......quid-pro-quo??? Naaaaaa.
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He may survive an election if he runs on another ticket, but I doubt he'll ever be on a Republican ticket - he wouldn't if I had any say about it. Sounds as sleazy as Jefferson (D) was and as a plethora of other Dems in the Congress are. Oh, well, sleep with dogs, get up with fleas. Ho hummmm. -
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StevieGee2 weeks, 1 day ago
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Cao said: “I have always said that I would put aside partisan wrangling to do the business of the people. My vote tonight was based on my priority of doing what is best for my constituents.
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Tasine said: "He may survive an election if he runs on another ticket, but I doubt he'll ever be on a Republican ticket - he wouldn't if I had any say about it.
I guess Tasine is against putting aside partisan wrangling to do the business of the people. Party first. Country second.
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fjgalt2 weeks, 2 days ago
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The Democrats had nothing to lose. It is becoming obvious that they were going to lose a lot of seats next year (the loss of two Democratic governorships was a foretaste) whether they passed their takeover or not.
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Assuming this health care "reform" passes the Senate, Medicare will pay out less, supplemental insurance will pay more and those companies will increase premiums (blame will fall on them, not the government), and the so-called benefits (i.e., control of our medical care by the government agencies) won't take effect until after the next presidential election.
Forcing everyone to buy insurance will be welcomed by the insurance companies, even though they'll have to take people with pre-existing conditions.
The Dems will try to spin this as saving the health care system for Americans, hoping to save their dominance of government next election.
P.S. The lone Republican who voted yes did so after the 218th yea vote was cast. My understanding is that he's in a Democratic district and wanted to appear "liberal" once his vote wasn't needed by his party.-
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Natureboy2 weeks, 2 days ago
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"Forcing everyone to buy insurance will be welcomed by the insurance companies, even though they'll have to take people with pre-existing conditions."
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Insurance companies take people with pre-existing conditions now. That is why policies have pre-existing condition exclusions.
What this will force insurers to do is offer coverage to individuals who are not part of an employer group and who have a past medical history which would otherwise bar underwriting them.
That's different than eliminating "pre-existing conditions." As many Americans will be finding out if this passes.
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philbrick2 weeks, 2 days ago
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Democrats will pick-up 1-4 seats in the senate in 2010. The Democrats may lose a few in the house but they will still retain the majority.
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http://campaigndiaries.com/senate/-
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CRYMTYPHON2 weeks, 2 days ago
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It is not normal for the party that wins the white house,
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to pick up seats in an off-year election.
Only the angry turn up at the polls.
Particularly in a bad economic climate.
It will be nice ; and I expect the job
situation to improve; but I am not
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Granted, if the spokespeople for the republicans
remain the palins, becks, pc25's and tasine types,
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A fate that gives me mixed feelings.
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Natureboy2 weeks, 2 days ago
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Among those voting "no" was Dennis Kucinich, among the most passionate advocates in the house for universal coverage. Why do you think he voted no? Isn't it fairly obvious that it's not just right-wingers that oppose this bill, but those on the left who see it as a give-away to private insurers and a bar to real reform?
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Beau78902 weeks, 2 days ago
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Yes. And obviously, in order to pass any reform at all, enough legislators must be swayed from each side. There are usually enough who aren't happy with any bill on either or both sides to block any new laws to be created, if no one ever compromises.
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This isn't my favorite plan, but I think it's the best of the ones that stand any chance of passing at all. And it's better than the status quo.
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Tasine2 weeks, 2 days ago
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The heck I would. I do not want government run health care no matter who forces it upon what was once a free people. Thank God, the Senate hasn't yet done their thing, but historically the Senate is the last place to trust to even consult the constitution. If this gets past the Senate, I predict years and years of legal wrangling, and hopefully that will hold it in check until sanity returns to our nation or I die, whichever is first.
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the heck we would! I will not accept socialized medicine from any usurper
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