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Posted By Tasine 1 month, 2 weeks ago in Political OpinionThe Jihadis will return. We know this, in the same way that we know about death and taxes. Thanks in large part to the weakening of our defensive efforts under the new administration, there will be further attacks against this country's population, perhaps even worse than those of 9/11. (This week's attack by Nidal Malik Hasan serves to underline the threat.)
When this attack occurs, we will see an end to all the nonsense. Our present drift regarding terror policy is occurring only because Americans have been encouraged to put unpleasant realities at a distance, to live in a dream world where all the bad stuff happens to other people. 9/11 has ceased to signify. Terrorism has become a matter of bad manners. As my grandfather might have put it, this country is in for a rude awakening.
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Tasine1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Clearly, American leftists cannot act otherwise. They can never be truly patriotic in the real sense, in the sense of sacrifice and overcoming doubts, of valuing their country as a larger expression of family and neighborhood. To ask that of them is to ask them to give up their higher allegiance, to demand that they stop being leftists, stop being progressives, stop being the world's holy fools. And that is to ask too much.
This is a historically unique situation, a product of the modern temperament. Never before would effective treason by a large minority have been tolerated, particularly involving such crucial sectors as media, academia, and education. This is not a stable condition, and it cannot be maintained for long. There is no reason why it should be.-
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ForrestPhelps1 month, 2 weeks ago
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So from this article, I take it that there has never been a single "leftist/liberal" who has fought and died for the freedoms and liberties this country enjoys.
I'm hoping you say there have been. Just as I hope that the solution to the defense of this nation is cooperation and adherence to the principles that give us our freedom. Are there leftists/liberals who have been out and out wrong about the ways to combat our enemies? Sure. Just as there have been mistakes made by those on the other side of the aisle.
The real answer to "the terrorist threat" lies somewhere between "nuking 'them' back to the stone age" and sitting down to tea and crumpets. It would be nice to have a dialogue about that, but it is impossible to have that talk when you start out saying I'm not patriotic because I'm a leftist. -
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dunkirk1 month, 2 weeks ago
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tas you got it wrong like you usually do.
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"The Jihadis will return. We know this, in the same way that we know about death and taxes. Thanks in large part to the past administration and its everyone is against us attitude. Alienating moderates and allies the world over. Causing irreparable harm to the United States. Outing an agent over political differences was a key note but the past administrations gaffes are historic. Subsequent administration will be behind the 8 ball in dealing with terrorism because of hte ineptitude of the Bush administration.
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UnusualSuspect1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Horse puckey, Tasine...
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Lumping people into one group who are to the left of you, politically, shows ignorance on your's, and the writer's, part. You can't demand we "stop being leftists, stop being progressives" anymore that we could ask you to change your beliefs. It's at our core of being, just as your beliefs are at your core.
Effective treason by a large minority (half of the country)? Ha! What a bunch of crap. I see it as enlightenment, that all people are able to see, thanks in large part to the internet, how backward thinking many peoples of the world are.
"They can never be truly patriotic in the real sense, in the sense of sacrifice and overcoming doubts, of valuing their country as a larger expression of family and neighborhood."
Where in the world do you or the writer get off making such a grand assumption about people? How do you know what your neighbor thinks, feels, or aspires to? What their sense of sacrifice is?
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avoth1 month, 2 weeks ago
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FairNBalanced1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Van Jones should act as our model. A few years ago, it wouldn't have mattered that Jones was associated with a nut cult like the Truthers. Now everything matters, and everything goes under the microscope. Jones was a critical figure to the administration, one for whom they were willing to put their reputations on the line. It made no difference. Once exposed and hammered and spotlighted, Jones was shown the door and wished good luck with his further endeavors. For this outcome, he has no one to thank but his own comrades on the left.
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FairNBalanced1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Fox news brought light to ACORN. Fox news brought light to Van Jones. Shortly after Van resigned, Obama came down on Fox. Fox brings truth to light and tough questions to Obama.
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Now the WH is even threatening democratic strategist that appear on Fox.-
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Dionys1 month, 2 weeks ago
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"Fox news brought light to ACORN. Fox news brought light to Van Jones."
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Fox news brought LIES to acorn. Fox news brought LIES to Van Jones.
"Fox brings truth to light "
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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muslims, liberals, athiests, peace activists, dissenters, get them all! get all those people who don't think like us. it doesn't matter that their creeds are completely unrelated. they are related in that they are not like me.
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let xenophobia rule the day! destroy all that is different! let Stepford be the model for our civilization! -
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Bkumm1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Here's my particularly favorite piece of tripe from yet another emotional outpouring of fake patriotism thinly disguised as a "call to arms":
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"Clearly, American leftists cannot act otherwise. They can never be truly patriotic in the real sense, in the sense of sacrifice and overcoming doubts, of valuing their country as a larger expression of family and neighborhood. To ask that of them is to ask them to give up their higher allegiance, to demand that they stop being leftists, stop being progressives, stop being the world's holy fools. And that is to ask too much."
I'm really a moderate, but most of the conservatives I know would be happy to call me a "lefty". Strangely, most of them won't do it to my face. I wonder why? Could it be the six generations (including me) who have fought for this country? Maybe. Could it be that I read the Declaration of Independence to my family (to their chagrin) every 4th of July? Maybe. Could it be that the first thing I did on 9/11 after making sure my extended family was safe was to make certain I had ammunition for my firearms? Maybe. I may be many things, but no-one who knows me would dare to call me "not really patriotic".-
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ForrestPhelps1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Reading the Declaration of Independence to your family every fourth of July?
Great idea. I think I'll also start the same tradition, and maybe I'll read the preamble and the first seven articles of the Constitution to my family on Veteran's day. I'll let them go through the Bill of Rights on their own.
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memestryker1 month, 2 weeks ago
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You are not alone. I am extremely progressive in some ways, and I am also fiercely patriotic. I also believe in readiness and taking responsibility for one's own self defense as well as that of my family and community.
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I agree with Korwin that what the world needs is for more countries to embrace a U.S.-like constitution that affirms freedoms--not for the U.S. to subjugate itself to countries that lack our freedom and liberty.
Even with all the anti-U.S. sentiment, I don't see many people emigrating. I do think some people are much too far left or right and don't see the error of thinking extremism in any form is desirable.
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Tangent0011 month, 2 weeks ago
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Sounds to me like this guy is hoping for a major attack on the US, just so he can do his little Church Lady Superiority Dance.
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No, Mr. Dunn, not every 'American Leftist' is a Ward Churchill. No, Mr. Dunn, the Right doesn't own patriotism. -
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CRYMTYPHON1 month, 2 weeks ago
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An essay on strength and patriotism,
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- from the people who cheered,
when they heard that the french insulted our president.
This, from the people who shouted
'its obama's fault' in the moment of
national silence for our ft. hood soldiers.
This, from the false, fake tin-flag-pin patriots
who gave us the iraq war and left Obama the bill.
Jihadists do not fear fake soldiers like cheney, rove,
bush, perle, rush, o'reilly, will, limbaugh, and krauthammer.
There are good patriots on the left.
There are true patriots on the right.
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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When it comes (and sad to say, it will need to be even worse than the Hasan attack), people will want answers and action. They will get both. Few things move faster than a frightened politician, particularly a politician frightened by his own constituents. Fearful pols will see to it that current efforts to undermine American security will come to an abrupt halt. The law-enforcement paradigm will be overturned. The attempts to "Mirandize" Islamist terrorists -- to turn them into esoteric versions of American street criminals, protected by the same legal constraints -- will cease. Contingent efforts to criminalize American security officials doing their best to protect the country will be curtailed. All the deeply complex questions fabricated over the past few years will be abruptly simplified.
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a very orwellian argument in support of an attack on America so that politicans will stop ruling based on law and logic, but instead based on fear. An argument in favor of simple thoughts while demonizing nuance.-
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memestryker1 month, 2 weeks ago
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"a very orwellian argument in support of an attack on America so that politicans will stop ruling based on law and logic, but instead based on fear. An argument in favor of simple thoughts while demonizing nuance."
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And this is something both left and right are guilty of. They just cherry pick their pet issues.
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Consider how many times since the Vietnam War this country's left has involved itself in activities that in saner epochs would have resulted in lengthy jail sentences. Consider their support for the Sandinistas and the Salvadoran FMLN, the Nuclear Freeze movement (a KGB operation from start to finish), cooperation with Palestinian and related terrorist groups. In each case, the left continued its involvement until the bitter end, and in each case they skipped off with no consequences. This offhand attitude toward sedition has its roots in the excesses of the witch-hunt era. The aura of martyrdom donned by the left since the early '50s has bought them a free pass for over half a century.
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an attempt to connect the left to villains of the modern by simply mentioning them in the same sentence without support. (apparently forgetting iran-contra) goerring would be proud.
actually suggesting that anti-nukes was a bad thing.
finally accusing those who dissent of sedition (apparently ignoring the current calls for secession) because clearly the left are commie, islamo, fascists. it must be true, it says so right here. -
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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That nameless pol in San Francisco blaming America first. But much of the left decided the better part of valor lay in keeping their mouths shut -- courage is not a widely-displayed trait in that crowd either.
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condemned for speaking and for remaining silent in the same paragraph. no matter what you do liberal, being liberal is crime enough. -
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Not a single aspect of the U.S. policy was left unaffected. The foreign wiretapping program ("listening in on U.S. citizens"), the bank surveillance effort, the terrorist rendition program, and of course Gitmo all received the Abu Ghraib treatment. Those images of tormented Iraqi prisoners had a deep and extended impact: if Abu Ghraib could happen, why couldn't all the rest happen too? That quivering sense of doubt was all the left needed to put themselves back in the sedition business big time.
apparently these constitutional, and moral, violations are of no importance during wartime... but pointing out the truth about them is an unforgivable crime. -
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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The answer lies in the leftist worldview, which is simplicity itself. (It has to be simple, designed as it is to be comprehended by workers, peasants, and college students.) The world is divided into oppressors and victims, with history a dialectical struggle between the two. The oppressor is anyone who holds power, the victim everyone else. By definition, the U.S., as the world's reigning power, is an oppressor-state. In fact, the U.S. is the greatest of all oppressor-states -- worse than Assyria, worse than Rome, worse than Hitler's Germany, because it has craftily convinced much of the world that it is no such thing.
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this sort of contradicts the support of the current admin by liberals doesn't it? since, according to this author, the liberals now have the power. and the point about simplicity contradicts the authors own point about the need for simplicity. -
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Clearly, American leftists cannot act otherwise. They can never be truly patriotic in the real sense, in the sense of sacrifice and overcoming doubts, of valuing their country as a larger expression of family and neighborhood. To ask that of them is to ask them to give up their higher allegiance, to demand that they stop being leftists, stop being progressives, stop being the world's holy fools. And that is to ask too much.
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when Obama said "we all have skin in the game" he was called a socialist. when H. Clinton wrote a book called, "It Takes a Village" she was called a socialist. When Gore said we need to work together to save our planet for our children's children, he was accused of trying to destroy business.
and whenever a bill like healthcare is brought up, the right declares the need for individuals to "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps"
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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This is a historically unique situation, a product of the modern temperament. Never before would effective treason by a large minority have been tolerated, particularly involving such crucial sectors as media, academia, and education. This is not a stable condition, and it cannot be maintained for long. There is no reason why it should be.
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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The question here is how we go about it. The left itself may well have put the weapon in our hands. The attacks against Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh, among many others, have been so noxious and vicious as to change the way such tactics are currently received.
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do you not remeber Karl Rove who unapologetically made viscious attacks a part of his political playbook, severly changing american politics for the worse. -
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Nobody on the planet quite equals the left for simple worldly corruption. The Renaissance princes might have been able to teach them a thing or two, but nobody else. Dig, and you will find. While digging, we might wish that things were different, that we could operate in as civil a manner as many of us would prefer. But we no longer live in a civil epoch. No one reading these words ever has. We know of such a world -- where decency is honored and nobility is a way of life -- only because we have read about it. We live in a different period now, a period in which our opponents feel completely at home. We cannot allow thugs such as these to back us down. To paraphrase Boccaccio: any tactic against such would-be tyrants is legitimate.
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he begins by decrying the perceived corruption of the left and then ends by saying the ends justify the means. and he does it with no sense of irony whatsoever. -
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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There is a difference between dissent and desertion, criticism and undermining. That difference has been lost amid a fog of relativism in the past few decades. But behind that fog, the hard stone of reality remains. It's no longer a game. People are going to die because of the actions taken by this country's leftists. Recognizing the differences lost in the relativistic fog has become a matter of life and death.
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The terror conflict is a two-front war. It always has been, as reluctant as we are to admit it. The time to open the second front is coming.
fearmongering combined with the suggestion that anyone who disagrees is actually an enemy within to be attacked. -
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truthiness1 month, 2 weeks ago
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this entire article, like all from American Thinker, is a series of misdirects, half-truths, and out right lies designed to inspire Americans to think of their fellow citizens as enemies of the state simply because they hold a different view.
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what greater enemy could America have than one who purposely tries to pit her people against one another while wishing for a terrorist attack so there will be an excuse to purge those who dare dissent? -
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NoWayMan1 month, 2 weeks ago
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well. looks like truthiness has already quite thoroughly and quite appropriately torn tasine and the american thinker a new one (or two) on this piece.
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but, to boil truthi's message down into one (partial) sentence:
just more stupid f-n crap from tasine and the americanthinker. -
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CRYMTYPHON1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Ok; I am picturing Tasine, Avoth and Pc25 putting on their
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jackboots, loading up the hummer with ak47s and duct tape,
plugging in a cd of '9-inch nails' and coming for me.
Those chicken-hawk losers?
Sorry, Bkumm.
When I stop laughing I am going back to sleep.
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LumFan1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Wow. I'd offer a scathing critique of this article, but truthiness beat me to the punch. Nothing left for me to say but that "The American Thinker" did not put much thought into this screed. He just tossed together a bunch of bad things together and tried to tie them to the left in America.
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He did not even try to show that it was Republicans who originally worked with those that became the Taliban in Afghanistan (when it was convenient for us), and it was the US who sponsored Hussein in Iraq (when we wanted someone to oppose Iran). -
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