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avoth1 month, 2 weeks ago
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ForrestPhelps1 month, 2 weeks ago
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And there are more than a few who would describe themselves as many other stereotypes who would also subscribe to this view, maybe even some conservatives, some Christians, some Fascists, some Communists, etc.
That's one of the sad truths about anti-Semitism and racism - even people you agree with on most other issues can hold these views.-
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avoth1 month, 1 week ago
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"maybe even some conservatives,"
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No doubt. However, unlike the Democrats, Republicans have not ignored the anti-Semitism of their members and provided them with honors. For example, Jimmy Carter, the "elder statesman" of the Democrats is an anti-Semite. Not only by virtue of his anti-Israel statements and conduct, but by the fact that, while he disgraced the office of President, he advocated leniency for a Nazi war criminal residing the in US. Another example would be Al Sharpton, who addressed the 2004 Democratic National Convention. I don't believe I need to expound further on him. Also, in 1992, David Dinkins was honored at the Convention. Dinkins ensure the police took no action while his African-American "brothers" were murdering and maiming the Jews of Crown Heights in 1991.
"even people you agree with on most other issues can hold these views."
And what does it say when you're willing to overlook these views because you agree with them on most other issues? Let me tell you - it undermines your credibility as a whole.
I have, in the past, taken issue with those of my fellow Conservatives who used phrases like "liberal Nazi", compared Democrats to Nazis, or compared Obama to Hitler. In response, my fellow Conservatives negged my comments. I will no longer take exception to these comparisons. After all, why shouldn't I excuse these views since I agree with them on most other issues?-
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Dionys1 month, 1 week ago
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"For example, Jimmy Carter, the "elder statesman" of the Democrats is an anti-Semite"
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Someone writes a book about the reality in Palestine and Israel and suddenly they're an anti-Semite. How typical. Keep embracing those lies and Nazi tactics.-
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chaimke1 month ago
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"Someone writes a book about the reality in Palestine and Israel and suddenly they're an anti-Semite."
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His institute's two top researchers resigned in disgust (yes, look it up... even if you'll find an inconvenient truth!) at how he twisted the facts and their research and you call it truth?
You find nothing wrong with the scurrilous attack on Jews quoted in the above post, obviously you also think that is "truth". Your true colors are showing all too clearly!
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ForrestPhelps1 month, 1 week ago
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It is a thorny issue. Both of them.
In the "real world", I do not think much of the Rev. Sharpton, although he has had his good moments. But I do agree that he has exhibited some anti-Semitism, and I cringe when I see him being invited to DNC functions.
I don't know much about Dinkins, but I was rather busy in 1991 and a bit out of touch with what was happening. Too lazy right now to do any research, so I'll take you at your word. It sounds absolutely reprehensible.
President Carter is a bit of another issue for me. I certainly don't think of him when I think of great Presidents, but he is certainly intelligent and has done much good for many people. As for his anti-Semitism, I am not convinced. Criticism of Israel and their policies should not evoke a knee-jerk charge of anti-Semitism any more than criticism of President Obama should automatically be labeled racism.
I, too, have called out fellow liberals on Propeller, and I still do, occasionally, usually with PM's. There are certain liberal posters I frequently neg, and some I completely ignore because of their extended rants. For me, it's a bit of a cycle. I get in one of my moods and I start reminding liberals to be a little nicer, a little less coarse.
But then I get negged from both sides.
Currently, my mood is to be as nice as I can to everyone, because not only do I want what's best for this country, but I want everyone - even those who think my liberal views are worthy of hate - to feel like their thoughts and opinions matter, and that if we only talk, we can work out most of our differences.
You want the truth? As "liberal" as I am, most of my casual acquaintances think I'm an ultra-Conservative Republican. And I do respect many values that would be considered conservative. I strive to only call real fascists, fascists. I do not think there has ever been a successful Communist government - certainly not any I would care to live under.
Sorry for the length of my reply, but since you took the time to talk, I felt I owed you a longer explanation.
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avoth1 month, 1 week ago
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"President Carter is a bit of another issue for me. I certainly don't think of him when I think of great Presidents, but he is certainly intelligent and has done much good for many people. As for his anti-Semitism, I am not convinced. Criticism of Israel and their policies should not evoke a knee-jerk charge of anti-Semitism"
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It isn't merely criticism of Israel and her policies. For example, I criticized Israel for forcing Jews out of their homes. There is much, much more. But, that's probably a subject for another day.
Take care.
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Progressive1 month, 1 week ago
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The fact is that conservative Christians support Israel for the purpose of bringing about the completion of their interpretation of Biblical prophecy regarding the Second Coming of Christ. A well-kept conservative secret, and another example of conservative deceit, is that they believe when Jesus returns to the Holy Land to save all Christians, any Jewish person who does not convert to Christianity will be doomed to the eternal fires of Hell. That is the ultimate example of antisemitism. Ann Coulter recently let the cat out of the bag on a talk show when she said that Christians are "perfected Jews", implying that Jews are somehow lesser human beings unless they convert to Christianity.
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http://liberapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-semitism
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