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Posted By Tumultuous 2 weeks, 1 day ago in Political OpinionI’m hoping, for your sake, that you didn’t spend your Saturday night as I did: watching the C-SPAN broadcast of the House debate on health care reform.
Pathetic, I know. The outcome wasn’t in doubt, and the arguments were as familiar as an old pair of slippers. Moral imperative! Government takeover! Long-overdue protections! Crippling mandates!
I’m not a huge fan of the House measure, but I was glad to see it straggle across the finish line, if only to keep the process going. And, by the end of the long debate, I was cheering for it even more because of the appalling amount of misinformation being peddled by its opponents.
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Tumultuous2 weeks, 1 day ago
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One would think that a political party that refers to itself as "the party of family values" would not be susceptible to propagating falsehoods of any kind.
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Yet Republicans are continually seduced by the temptation to spread lies regardless of the subject. Health care reform is not immune to their deceitfulness.
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tadair9192 weeks, 1 day ago
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Ratskii2 weeks, 1 day ago
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What is really funny is the comment that the bill would ration life-saving health care when the republicans in Texas passed a bill which was signed by GWB that allowed hospitals to do just that. It allowed hospitals to cut off care of patients in a way much more egregious than the Florida case of Terri S.
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Endoscopy2 weeks, 1 day ago
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This sums up what libs want.
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$2.5 trillion bill (10 year not the fake 10 year amount with only 5 years in the next 10 years) that will micromanage health care and drive up the cost of the providers to keep up with the paperwork. Then there is the taxes that will cause the cost of insurance to go sky high. Doctors are so thrilled with this that about 25 to 40% are going to start a new profession or retire. Then there are all of the different parts of the bill that pays for all sorts of liberal nuttiness like having social workers go to poor families with a pregnant woman and train them to raise a child.
Then there is the great feature that requires EVERYBODY TO BUY INSURANCE. Failure to do so and the IRS will collect a large fine. Failure to pay that fine means you pay a bigger one and go to jail.
Since when is it going to be legal to force people to buy anything?????
The liberal American Dream. Forcing people to do what they want them to do. Goodby freedom. -
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billcorno2 weeks, 1 day ago
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Nice try, endoscopy. You're as bad as some of these Republican congressmen. Hey, if you want to keep your old insurance, YOU CAN. What's wrong with getting everybody insured?
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The penalty is a check to make sure everybody gets insurance. You don't want everybody to be insured? Then you must be a Republican.
Every other industrialized nation has this already. Why are WE living in the dark ages? (Or in some cases, the dark passages.)
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Endoscopy2 weeks ago
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It is a fine in the thousands that the IRS will collect. It is called a fine. Read the bill in that section. Failure to pay that fine will result in a fine of up to $250,000 and time in jail.
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The lie that anybody that wants to keep their insurance is very stupid. The situation is that if the "public option" is created then almost all businesses will go with that because it will be so cheap. If you work for a company that does this you can then just buy the insurance from the insurance company that the business used to have. That means the $12,000 to $18,000 most of which the company paid. Now you will have to pay that. Then you try to tell us the LIE that we can keep our old insurance. Only if you are wealthy enough.
I love the every other industrial nations part. Many of them hare having so much trouble with their socialized medicine that some are backing off as this is being discussed here. Britain and Canada are two examples of the rationing by long wait lists. Canada has 5 million without doctors. Wait times for many regions are in the 4 months time frame to get procedures for cancer etc. Then you want to inflict that on us.
Explain to me why a person that is wealthy and can pay for any health care issue should be forced to buy insurance??? Explain to me why a 20 to 25 year old that goes to the doctor once a year for a checkup should be forced to pay $12,000 to $18,000 for insurance????
Explain to me how this is constitutional to FORCE ANYBODY TO BUY ANYTHING????
There is the ad hominem attack. Why can't you just discuss the issues???
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lloydm652 weeks ago
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Why would anyone want to read the health bill,I'd rather read five hundred short fairy tales.I can't believe intelligent people wrote Obama care.Man I bet there was a lot of laughing,giggling,and snickering going on.I know it can't compete in the real world.In fact its bankrupt as we speak.Trying to pay claims out of premiums,is a poor business model.
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jimdoze2 weeks ago
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The Dems are proffering the BIG LIE... and, as I said above, they fully well know it... yet they continue. Their end justifies their means.
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John Cassidy of The New Yorker explains:
"The U.S. government is making a costly and open-ended commitment to help provide health coverage for the vast majority of its citizens. I support this commitment, and I think the federal government's spending priorities should be altered to make it happen. But let's not pretend that it isn't a big deal, or that it will be self-financing, or that it will work out exactly as planned. It won't.
Many Democratic insiders know all this, or most of it. What is really unfolding, I suspect, is the scenario that many conservatives feared. The Obama Administration, like the Bush Administration before it (and many other Administrations before that) is creating a new entitlement program, which, once established, will be virtually impossible to rescind. At some point in the future, the fiscal consequences of the reform will have to be dealt with in a more meaningful way, but by then the principle of (near) universal coverage will be well established. Even a twenty-first-century Ronald Reagan will have great difficult overturning it.
That takes me back to where I began. Both in terms of the political calculus of the Democratic Party, and in terms of making the United States a more equitable society, expanding health-care coverage now and worrying later about its long-term consequences is an eminently defensible strategy. Putting on my amateur historian's cap, I might even claim that some subterfuge is historically necessary to get great reforms enacted. But as an economics reporter and commentator, I feel obliged to put on my green eyeshade and count the dollars."
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