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Posted By avoth 1 month, 2 weeks ago in Political OpinionThe Obama administration has taken a giant step in its march to throw in the towel in the war against radical Islam. On FoxNews this morning, Peter King said of the decision to try the soldiers of al-Qaeda — who by their own account have no country but their cause — as civilians “may be the worst decision by a U.S. president in history.”
It certainly is. It sends a signal to terrorists everywhere to attack civilians.
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Klarissa1 month, 2 weeks ago
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www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_tha...
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Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 100-101]: To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed necolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated. But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated.
No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.-
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bubba21 month, 2 weeks ago
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You REALLY LOVE that quote, don't you?
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You post it quite a lot.
Stop trying to use to prove that Obama is a hater or a racist.
You are the hater and the racist - you project your feelings on Obama and attempt to make him out to be the bad guy to justify your feelings and to excuse them. -
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rimbaud1 month, 2 weeks ago
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If the unprejudiced world were watching, it might put our system of justice on display... it's not likely the likes of these terrorists would be granted anything like a hearing in any other part of the world. Unfortunately, the crazed fanatics will not get past their being on trial at all: they would respect us more if we simply, and summarily, executed them (they would get the first to behead the others, and hang him last).
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bubba21 month, 2 weeks ago
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With HIS country - America.
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Where is YOURS?
Do you respect the office of the President, or not?
By God, those of us who criticized Bush - legitimately, because unlike you all there was GOVERNMENT evidence of his lies, and even HIS OWN ADMISSION of them - were scolded because we didn't "respect the office".
Hate and racism .... admit it and get it over with.
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ChefEOD1 month, 2 weeks ago
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What criminal justice system would ignore a defendant's confession of being guilty?
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Our criminal justice system, designed for its citizens, is greatly slanted in favor of the accused. To recite something oft quoted, "better 10 guilty men go free than 1 innocent be wrongly punished". Is that really the system you want to see trying these terrorists, where they could get off on technicalities’, regardless of guilt, regardless of their confession of guilt?
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tadair9191 month, 2 weeks ago
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avoth, i usually prop your articles, but this one is ridiculously tyrannical.
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first of all i've attended lectures by horowitz, and have read some of his earlier literature. take my word on this, he is a demented little man.
second off, if china ever invades us, then throws you in detention for 7 years without a trial, i hope you don't mind when chinese bloggers debate the value of having to prove your innocence while you rot away pondering the meaning of liberty.
the only reason they are trying these a-holes first, is because the government knows they will be found guilty in some form or another. the innocent ones won't get tried in public. they need to sweep them under the rug. like you could be.-
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avoth1 month, 2 weeks ago
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"avoth, i usually prop your articles,"
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Thank you for your support.
"but this one is ridiculously tyrannical."
I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't see that. Would you please explain why you do?
"first of all i've attended lectures by horowitz, and have read some of his earlier literature. take my word on this, he is a demented little man."
I don't see how that makes the article "tyrannical", but OK.
"second off, if china ever invades us, then throws you in detention for 7 years without a trial, i hope you don't mind when chinese bloggers debate the value of having to prove your innocence while you rot away pondering the meaning of liberty."
I'm not sure I follow. al-Qaeda is a terrorist organization. I'm not a member of a terrorist organization.
"the only reason they are trying these a-holes first, is because the government knows they will be found guilty in some form or another. "
You have more faith in our criminal justice system than I do. But I remember the trial of Lemrick Nelson. The "right" judge, an ultra-liberal defense attorney, an incompetent prosecutor, and a jury full of the terrorists "peers", could have a different result than the one you predict.
"the innocent ones won't get tried in public. they need to sweep them under the rug. like you could be."
That's a pretty sweeping statement and an indicator that you have a point behind all this. What is it?
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Progressive1 month, 2 weeks ago
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King has been criticized for his staunch support to allow the government to eavesdrop on American citizens without court-authorized wiretaps, for his support for the Iraq war, and his claims that "Iraq is 95% safe." In February 2006, King said that things were blooming in Baghdad and that being in Baghdad was like "being in Manhattan."
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In late August 2006, King endorsed racial profiling as a law enforcement tool. He proposed that people of "Middle Eastern and South Asian" descent go through additional security checks due to their ethnicity and religion, saying that all Muslims aren't terrorists but that all recent terrorists are Muslim (Newsday 8/17/2006). King came under fire from civil rights proponents, law enforcement officials, and Newsday's editorial and readers' opinion sections.
In September 2007, The Politico quoted King in an interview as saying there are "too many mosques in this country", and that "[t]here are too many people sympathetic to radical Islam. We should be looking at them more carefully and finding out how we can infiltrate them." When asked to clarify his statement, King did not revise his answer, saying "I think there has been a lack of full cooperation from too many people in the Muslim community."
King later said, “The quote was taken entirely out of context by Politico. My position in this interview, as it has been for many years, is that too many mosques in this country do not cooperate with law enforcement. Unfortunately, Politico was incapable of making this distinction.” In response, The Politico posted a video of the interview, saying it was "so readers can decide."
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lum-chate1 month, 2 weeks ago
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I don't really believe that this rates as the worst decision by a president in history. Surely this guys health reform & cap & trade
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initiative are worse in my book, but this trial venue has to be considered in the top ten, along with Johnson's Gulf of Tonkin initiative & Johnson's Immigration Act of 1964. Bush's 2003 Iraq invasion also was a doozy.-
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ConquerorWyrm1 month, 2 weeks ago
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I'm propping you here because you have shown enough integrity to include the Bush Invasion in your list. I will not defend Johnson either...not a fan.
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I will though say that the Administration of George W. Bush and the policies it actively pushed, including development of the tradition (so far only used by Bush) of legislating through Executive Decision and Signing Statements, probably holds at least half of those top ten worst decisions. I mean, any time Obama or any other President uses either of these two tactics, they will be compared to the excesses of Bush. The Invasion is another example. The free ride to NON-U.S. based Corporations is another. The elimination of Habeus Corpus is another. The implementation of the PATRIOT ACT containing provisions to exempt certain industries from responsibility over their products (pharmaceuticals and their protections against suits) is another.
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Daylight1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Well, there is no such thing as radical Islam or extremist Islam in Islam, and these are words coined by the Western world or the politicians to kill people who oppose invasion and corruption, and erosion of Islamic values. If the Western world leaves the Islamic world and stop supporting puppets and dictators and also stop dictating the Muslims what they should and should not choose as their way of life. Wart on Islam will nerve take America where it wants to be but it will be the end of America.
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ChefEOD1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Jefferson found out the truth of those lies of Islam when dealing with the Barbary Pirates didn't he?
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In 1786, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson met with Arab diplomats from Tunis, who were conducting terror raids and piracy against American ships. History records them as the Barbary Pirates. In fact, they were blackmailing terrorists, hiding behind a self-serving interpretation of their Islamic faith by embracing select tracts and ignoring others. On March 28, 1786 Jefferson and Adams detailed what they saw as the main issue: “We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the Grounds of their pretensions to make war upon a Nation who had done them no Injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our Friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners. http://tinyurl.com/633cy9
If any thing is true about Islam it is that the more things change, the more they remain the same. If your own words are true Daylight, “there is no such thing as radical Islam or extremist Islam in Islam”, then we must view all in Islam the same.
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Hobe1 month, 2 weeks ago
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The Worst Decision by a US President in History »
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King Boroc husaine obermer appears to be Benevelent towards the Islamic Nut cases and the opposite towards Israel.
King Boroc Husaine is leading this great Nation into a Socialistic Country just like Adolf Hitler, Chavese, Castro, the little nut from North Korea, etc., These social policies may very well destroy the Country.
Time to vote the Corrupt Pigs in Washington out of office...-
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oneironaut4201 month, 2 weeks ago
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"King Boroc husaine obermer"
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Who in the world are you talking about?? Those of us who are at least mildly intelligent and know how to speak English fairly well don't do the "chatspeak" thing, LOL...you may want to take that over to a Yahoo chat room or something, you'll fit right in. 8)
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bubba21 month, 2 weeks ago
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It was BUSH that made one of - if not THE - worst decisions in the history of this country when he invaded Iraq.
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The invasion was based on lies and altered intelligence - altered by HIS administration.
Over 1/2 trillion dollars spent over there for basically nothing but misery for tens of thousands of our troops and millions of innocent Iraqis.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/12/07-3
http://www.heraldscotland.com/bush-is-the-worst-pr...
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/editors-choice/2...
Just keep that Obama hate coming on ... the more you pour it out, the more ridiculous, ludicrous, and superfluous you become .... -
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Tumultuous1 month, 2 weeks ago
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This poorly written article distorts reality, as does any form of propaganda originating from the right-wing fringe.
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Anyone with minimal cognitive abilities can grasp the fact that the award for "The Worst Decision by a US President in History" belongs to that unpopular war criminal, George W. Bush. (24% approval rating upon leaving office).
The military tribunals have convicted exactly (3) terrorists out of several hundreds of Gitmo prisoners. With a success rate like that, the only rational option is to try the jihadists in a civilian court. The military obviously lacks the competence to successfully convict jihadists.
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