Britain's Abu Ghraib:Did Britain Collude With US In Abuse Of Iraqis? »
Posted By Mikunited 6 days, 15 hours ago in NewsClaims that British soldiers recreated the torture conditions of Abu Ghraib to
commit the sexual and physical abuse of Iraqi civilians are being
investigated by the Ministry of Defense.
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gamahuche6 days, 14 hours ago
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Mikunited's message re the story: [I couldn't state it better and I don't think there could be a better introduction to this shameful tale of collusion]
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"As A Brit this shames me deeply!!When Abu Ghraib first become news,I felt British cases would one day be found also.It seems that the percentage of bigots in the US and UK forces is broadly similar.This isn't a reflection of the brave multitude of soldiers,who at such a young age are taken away from all that they know,only to be thrown headlong into an illegal war.Yet just like in civil society,there is that percentage of people who bring shame on themselves,their families,their army, their nation and humanity as a whole
The most worrying thing of all, is the relaxed attitude of the leadership.There is even the possibility of encouragement and compliance,used as a policy by the leadership,right up to the top echelons of government.We can only hope that President Obama and premier Brown do what's necessary,to clean up the mess that Bush and Blair have left behind them."
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I'm half English, grew up there, but have chosen to stay away from the place for a very long time. England was brilliant in the 60's and for part of the 70's. The ruination started with Thatcher and was completed by Bliar. Unfortunately there's no sign of a light at the end of the tunnel. Even the BBC lost its independence and was castrated on the flimsiest and most shameful of pretexts which were connected to the murder of Dr David Kelly. Fortunately most of my best friends are also gone and we meet in Europe or the US.-
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Endoscopy6 days, 8 hours ago
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The obscene one loves obscene stories it seems. Are they true or not?? Of course the liberals want to believe them because they want to believe the worst of our soldiers. The worst of the prior accusations did not approach this level. But the title of the story says it all about the mind set of libs. Conspiracy on evil. Disgusting. These disgusting allegations should be investigated and if found true people should face charges. What happen if they are found to be false. Will the liberals acknowledge it or just keep up the rant like they are guilty????.
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Mikunited6 days, 13 hours ago
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I actually feel very sorry for Gorden Brown.He was intellectually miles ahead of Blair,he was a genuine social democrat and had ideals.Blair was allowed to become the labor leader because,he was more telegenic and thought of as a better bet when confronted by "middle England".The Sun backed him and the Mail,Telegraph etc found attacking him more difficult,after all he was "old tory" as much as "new labor",that is if there ever was a difference.
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Apparently,they were meant to have an agreement where Blair took the leadership and win one election and then stand down,to be replaced by Brown.We all know the rest
New Labor for Blair meant the Thatcherization of the Labor movement,to Brown it meant the modernization of the Labor movement.All the decent things the labor government has done,like the minimum wage,tax credits for the low paid,a minimum guarantee for pensioners,the end of fox hunting ,all had Browns hand print on them .
I will vote for Brown next year.if only because he is the lesser of evils.To vote for the greens,would be gesture politics.Having said all this,he does seem like yesterdays news,but is the only decent man leading a UK party today
Have a good weekend my friend ---Mike-
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gamahuche6 days, 2 hours ago
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Can't disagree with a word of that. Then there were the 2 very nasty deaths which also shamed Britain and Labour - Dr David Kelly and the de Menezes murder. But of course Blair's pathetic toadying to Bush was the ultimate disgrace.
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I'm in the middle of a heavy work weekend - at least its interesting stuff!
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CHAM6 days, 2 hours ago
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A good Post Mik.
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And this article didn't mention a couple of the "Procedures" used to torture detainees at Abu Gharib - for example Palestinian hanging. The most famous picture shown around the world is the one showing a female soldier and the body of Manadel Al Jamidi. He was tortured to death on November 4, 2003 by U S Navy Seals and aided by Mercenaries. He was not the only detainee tortured to death on November 4, 2003 at Abu Gharib. There were many witnesses and some people obviously took photographs. The soldier who blew the case open concerning the torture at Abu Gharib has had his life threatened by soldier and civilian alike. Unfortunately there are people on this thread who will claim nothing ever happened, but those tortured to death have not come back to life and they are not likely to.
And you might recall that there was a vast pooh-poohing of the initial reports of torture and then when it was exposed as real, the conversation turned to claim it was no more than scare tactics. Those in charge claimed it wasn't torture because no one was harmed, but the truth is that there have been hundreds tortured to death, and there have been thousands tortured with many who survived the torture having life time injuries.
The most cruel torture "technique" I have read about involved torturing detainees children in front of the detainees.
So far, of all the tens of thousands of detainees only three have been convicted of any crime against America. Maybe we can get it up to eight when the next 5 are soon to be tried. I suppose those who were tortured to death are assumed to be guilty.
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logistics12205 days, 19 hours ago
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I have such a hard time relating to the liberal british anymore. It seems they all read this story and swallow it whole. I am skeptical of the content. The press is extremely biased in a liberal way and they slant stories for their agenda. I am forever grateful that my ancestors left England for the new world. We are far more free here in America, in our thoughts and views than any place on earth.
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Mikunited5 days, 15 hours ago
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Logistics 1220-It is not only the "liberal"papers that carry this story in the UK.It is the ultra conservative press like the Mail and the telegraph as well.The part of this story that deals with "Abu Gharib",is accurate,it is common knowledge that torture happened.
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The rest of this story is looking at British acts of torture.This story has come into the public arena,because the UK "ministry of defense"is making official enquiries.Should we turn a blind eye to this?Should the majority of our brave and extremely young troops,be tarnished with the same brush as the criminal minority.
I'm sorry you have to full back on raciest taunts,but I understand that most Americans are not like you.I treat people on the contents of their character,not the accident of where they are born.To end with,I don't consider myself a liberal,but a social democrat or socialist even! -
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CHAM4 days, 23 hours ago
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I consider myself neither a Democrat nor a Republican. And Logistics1220. My fathers family came from the Nottingham area.
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I have visited there and London.
It is truly amazing that people who don't want to believe that tens of thousands of people were tortured and hundreds of people were tortured to death. The Abu Gharib case of Al Jamidi is easy enough to check out - just google his name.
To help you decide whether torture took pale and whether innocent people were tortured to death, branch out from the Al Jamidi case or watch the Documentary "Taxi to the Dark Side". Read "Afghanistan Death Convoy", google renditions, or just plug in torture and go from there.
If you do a lot of research and are still not convinced, then I nor any facts will convince you.
Rest assured that there are millions of people around this earth that know how depraved our Government became during the past and we as a people are less for it.
We need to return to moral and ethical behavior. Nothing less is acceptable.
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